Zaslav's era could be the worst time for WW.

[DochaDocha]

I am not gonna lie: the fact that a film starring a black Hispanic woman as Batgirl was what he thought the DC Brand should be protected from, while it's still business as usual for The Flash, a film starring a very violent non-binary white person who has been repeatedly accused of being a groomer. How would that NOT be something that your brand needs to be protected from? I am so confused.

It's not business as usual for Flash, though. They delayed it almost certainly because Miller is a problem and with the cost involved there's no easy way to fix it. I personally would love to see it canned altogether, but it's not going to be an easy fix. From the stories about Batgirl, on the other hand, it was cheap and not cinematic, so easier to rip off the bandaid than make a bunch of tweaks.

Supposedly, Zaslav likes Sasha Calle as Supergirl, or at least that's what someone on the Superman boards is claiming.

[SonOfBaldwin]

It's not business as usual for Flash, though. They delayed it almost certainly because Miller is a problem and with the cost involved there's no easy way to fix it. I personally would love to see it canned altogether, but it's not going to be an easy fix. From the stories about Batgirl, on the other hand, it was cheap and not cinematic, so easier to rip off the bandaid than make a bunch of tweaks.

Supposedly, Zaslav likes Sasha Calle as Supergirl, or at least that's what someone on the Superman boards is claiming.

Speaking of Flash:

New Details About Ezra Miller's Cult Leader-like Behavior Surface

New allegations surrounding The Flash's Ezra Miller suggest that the actor ran a cult-like sanctuary during their time in Reykjavik, Iceland.

https://www.cbr.com/ezra-miller-cult...ader-behavior/

[Primal Slayer]

I am not gonna lie: the fact that a film starring a black Hispanic woman as Batgirl was what he thought the DC Brand should be protected from, while it's still business as usual for The Flash, a film starring a very violent non-binary white person who has been repeatedly accused of being a groomer. How would that NOT be something that your brand needs to be protected from? I am so confused.

I dont think if Barbara was white, he would've let the film go through. He doesn't believe in streaming film exclusives and has canceled other films, tv shows. They are pulling down hbo exclusive shows.

The Flash cost close to $300mill at this point. That's way bigger then $90m.

[BiteTheBullet]

I dont think if Barbara was white, he would've let the film go through. He doesn't believe in streaming film exclusives and has canceled other films, tv shows. They are pulling down hbo exclusive shows.

The Flash cost close to $300mill at this point. That's way bigger then $90m.

From what I understand, because of the merger, he has a window to cancel the films and take the loss from a tax write off standpoint for the company.

[DochaDocha]

This thread just got me thinking that if people really think Leslie Grace's Batgirl was canceled because she isn't white (actually, I don't know if this is demographically true), then she'd pull off the unusual pairing of not being pale-skinned enough for Batgirl but not dark-skinned enough In the Heights.

[SonOfBaldwin]

This thread just got me thinking that if people really think Leslie Grace's Batgirl was canceled because she isn't white (actually, I don't know if this is demographically true), then she'd pull off the unusual pairing of not being pale-skinned enough for Batgirl but not dark-skinned enough In the Heights.

Race and racism are truly the most bizarre and unhealthy things Europe ever created.

[Perseus]

I generally like your posts, but why get political about it? Are there conservatives/republicans that read and buy comics? A famous quote came by of Michael Jordan once when he said that republicans buy shoes also.

Yeah, the same people that burn those shoes they spent hundreds on because a football player was kneeling in peaceful protest during the anthem. Like yes, conservatives/republicans can be comic fans, I seriously doubt they would clamber to see a film with Diana's more progressive messaging. There is no such thing as an apolitical film. Right now, so called "anti-sjw real comic book fans" are harassing and grifting off of the fact that Batgirl got canceled by said CEO for the reasons I posted above. They view him as this savior from the "woke media" that's been taking over comic culture. i.e. there are more women, LGBT+, and POC in the medium with opinions and ideas, and on premise they don't like that. So, they use basic criticisms as a shield behind their more racist, homophobic, and especially transphobic views. You view one youtube video and you go down a whole pipeline.

I'll be the first to tell you that some of the new voices are good others not so much. Thats any media. It doesn't mean we need to start cancelling films that were frankly finished. Be it a bad film, a cheap film, or a film starring a diverse cast. This whole Batgirl situation is stunning to me. Tax reasons they said, they stopped the film from being made for tax breaks. 90+ million dollars gone. It's funny to me because DC has more or less been saved via "small" budget creative films (Joker, The Batman, The Suicide Squad, Shazam 1, Birds of Prey) they make a return on investment regardless of quality because they spend somewhat less than a normal block buster. You didn't need to put all your eggs in one basket and watch them crack like in JL. So, what if it was a bad movie (which I doubt it was), Sony released MORBIS for F sakes....TWICE!! How many bad movies have studios released just to get some money back? Think of the precedent now. Blue Beetle... probs shelved, Black Canary too maybe, etc... none of these character driven films would need 100+ million to make so in our CEO's mind it's not worth making them. Marvel releases the dang ETERNALS and DC cancels Batgirl. I know this is the Wonder Woman forum but how is DC going to branch out into a larger universe if these characters barely get their chance to make an attempted step into the spotlight? And the relationship between creatives now... why should anyone start a project at DC, Warner, Discovery or whatever they wanna call themselves now? If just at the finish line the heads decide to axe your project. Oh sure, they said they're working with the talent to find a more suitable plan but that's probs to save face.

This whole thing feels like DC/Warner getting gutted to take care of Discovery's debts and then have everyone replaced with people who probably only heed to said CEO.

[Perseus]

I dont think if Barbara was white, he would've let the film go through. He doesn't believe in streaming film exclusives and has canceled other films, tv shows. They are pulling down hbo exclusive shows.

The Flash cost close to $300mill at this point. That's way bigger then $90m.

Watch that thing flop BIG TIME.

[BiteTheBullet]

Yeah, the same people that burn those shoes they spent hundreds on because a football player was kneeling in peaceful protest during the anthem. Like yes, conservatives/republicans can be comic fans, I seriously doubt they would clamber to see a film with Diana's more progressive messaging. There is no such thing as an apolitical film. Right now, so called "anti-sjw real comic book fans" are harassing and grifting off of the fact that Batgirl got canceled by said CEO for the reasons I posted above. They view him as this savior from the "woke media" that's been taking over comic culture. i.e. there are more women, LGBT+, and POC in the medium with opinions and ideas, and on premise they don't like that. So, they use basic criticisms as a shield behind their more racist, homophobic, and especially transphobic views. You view one youtube video and you go down a whole pipeline.

I'll be the first to tell you that some of the new voices are good others not so much. Thats any media. It doesn't mean we need to start cancelling films that were frankly finished. Be it a bad film, a cheap film, or a film starring a diverse cast. This whole Batgirl situation is stunning to me. Tax reasons they said, they stopped the film from being made for tax breaks. 90+ million dollars gone. It's funny to me because DC has more or less been saved via "small" budget creative films (Joker, The Batman, The Suicide Squad, Shazam 1, Birds of Prey) they make a return on investment regardless of quality because they spend somewhat less than a normal block buster. You didn't need to put all your eggs in one basket and watch them crack like in JL. So, what if it was a bad movie (which I doubt it was), Sony released MORBIS for F sakes....TWICE!! How many bad movies have studios released just to get some money back? Think of the precedent now. Blue Beetle... probs shelved, Black Canary too maybe, etc... none of these character driven films would need 100+ million to make so in our CEO's mind it's not worth making them. Marvel releases the dang ETERNALS and DC cancels Batgirl. I know this is the Wonder Woman forum but how is DC going to branch out into a larger universe if these characters barely get their chance to make an attempted step into the spotlight? And the relationship between creatives now... why should anyone start a project at DC, Warner, Discovery or whatever they wanna call themselves now? If just at the finish line the heads decide to axe your project. Oh sure, they said they're working with the talent to find a more suitable plan but that's probs to save face.

This whole thing feels like DC/Warner getting gutted to take care of Discovery's debts and then have everyone replaced with people who probably only heed to said CEO.

So...let's say it is about 37% hardcore democrat and 37% hardcore republican with the rest calling themselves independent. The numbers may vary, but that is roughly what they usually are. So you are saying that 37% of 300 million is just going to go out and burn all stuff related to kneeling sports figures? Come on now, stop the generalizations. If you go by twitters extremely loud progressive voices, you would think that all of America is under the thumb of AOC and the radical leftists. In both cases, it is an extremely small amount yet they have the loudest voices. I doubt there is a huge percentage of people that are really swayed either way.

Stop with the hyperbole. Give Zaslav a chance. If you think he is going to sink the business then wait and see. Otherwise, he seems like a person that is going to try and make consistent money winners with a legitimate plan (10 year). Here is hoping that he gets the right, creative people in control because that has been sorely lacking for DC. Maybe even a cohesive strategy on the comicbook side as well.

[BiteTheBullet]

Watch that thing flop BIG TIME.

I also agree with you on this. The Flash looks like a bomb waiting to happen but the 300 million price tag may have been too much to overcome to take a tax loss.

[Sacred Knight]

My take is things can't get any lower. They hit rock bottom already. Everything was already soulless, and their next big idea was soulless, but replacing 2/3 of the Trinity with women. So I mean, we've had over a decade of terrible choices here. Wonder Woman got a great movie out of it yes, but overall things have never been good. And at least she got that good movie finally, only two other characters (other than Batman of course) in Aquaman and Shazam can say that.

I don't have confidence in anything after so long, but I just highly doubt it can actually get worse. Just stay comical and irrelevant at worst.

[I'm a Fish]

I dont think if Barbara was white, he would've let the film go through. He doesn't believe in streaming film exclusives and has canceled other films, tv shows. They are pulling down hbo exclusive shows.

The Flash cost close to $300mill at this point. That's way bigger then $90m.

HBO Max exclusive shows are getting canned. HBO shows, and other show's that air on TV are fine as far as I know.

[Stanlos]

The dude was a trump voter that went on record of wanting to "un-cancel" JK Rowlling lol. Do not trust or defend this man yet. He also was behind the sucess of great TV like.... Honey Boo Boo and the 90 Day Finance universe (yes you heard me right)

Don't be mistaken, we are going to get a very bog standard, soulless, corporatized versions of these characters. Diana will maintain her secondary status to the other big guns. We are going to get the typical strong woman Hollywood archetype. She is stilling going to be Zeus's daughter, any smaller projects that includes her mythos (amazons miniseries included) will be 100% shelved and untouched because it wouldn't be a "big event film that cost over 100 million" in his mind.

The only, and I mean ONLY hope is with this Fiege type he wants to hire. Which will probably also be a soulless corporate stooge btw, given his recent fires and hires.

Yup.

After Mystical's thread appeared, I looked him up and it is a bit concerning.

My hope is that he will just focus on the dollars and we will luck up and get someone like Kevin Smith or another uberfan that made good. Hopefully he will get a Laura Montgomery-esque person.

[Primal Slayer]

HBO Max exclusive shows are getting canned. HBO shows, and other show's that air on TV are fine as far as I know.

Nope. They've taken down Vinyl, Mrs. Fletcher, Run, Here and Now, K Street, and At Home with Amy Sedaris.

[bardkeep]

Stop with the hyperbole. Give Zaslav a chance. If you think he is going to sink the business then wait and see. Otherwise, he seems like a person that is going to try and make consistent money winners with a legitimate plan (10 year). Here is hoping that he gets the right, creative people in control because that has been sorely lacking for DC. Maybe even a cohesive strategy on the comicbook side as well.

Ahh yes, the ironclad promise of a 10-year plan. Wait...

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It's funny to me because DC has more or less been saved via "small" budget creative films (Joker, The Batman, The Suicide Squad, Shazam 1, Birds of Prey) they make a return on investment regardless of quality because they spend somewhat less than a normal block buster. You didn't need to put all your eggs in one basket and watch them crack like in JL.

It's so wild that they haven't learned their lesson with this. Another thing to keep in mind is that all of those films were self-contained - no big cinematic universe ties, no obvious set-up for future movies. The answer is right in front of them, but they're so greedy in the futile pursuit of Avengers-level success that they won't think about any other strategy. At least Universal knew when to quit with the Dark Universe fiasco.

I'm pretty confident that The Flash is gonna be a huge flop, and I have a feeling they're going to take the exact wrong lessons from it and think, "Maybe if we take no creative risks, only make movies starring white men, and throw more money at it, we'll do better next time." Never mind the fact that their 2 most successful films starred a Native Hawaiian man and a woman, both playing characters who for many years were considered jokes at worst and unsellable at best...

I also think it's really presumptuous of them to think Black Adam is going to provide a foundation for anything. Unless it gets good reviews (unlikely tbh), it's almost certainly going to be a JL/MOS-scale disappointment and it's dumb to stake the next decade of films on a 50-year-old who's juicing harder than the entire Russian Olympic team.

HBO Max exclusive shows are getting canned. HBO shows, and other show's that air on TV are fine as far as I know.

If Harley Quinn gets canceled, I'm rioting.

(Which, speaking of, is by far DC's most popular animated show even though it has loads of political commentary and stars 2 bisexual women in a WLW relationship. Surely that's a sign that diversity and politics aren't a death sentence...)