Dick Grayson: Robin / Nightwing Appreciation 2020

[Ascended]

So I guess I should have said what would you want a retcon than a reboot.

Well, I'd like to mess with the Court of Owls and their connection to Haly's. I don't really mind that the Court recruited from the circus, and it does make a kind of sense in that these are skilled athletes with little to lose and nobody to miss them, but I'd like to spin it so Haly himself isn't as culpable as I think he was in the original story (but I haven't read any of that in a long time so I may be remembering it wrong). And Dick would've just been one of the performers the Court was keeping an eye on for future recruitment, none of this "grand prophesy of the Gray Son" nonsense. Dick is special enough without the story making him into some sort of golden child. Though I think that was more Dick's granddaddy Cobb more than anything? Where's Dropkick to refresh my memory when I need him?

Beyond that, I really don't think there's anything we need to retcon, just some stuff we should ignore, never mention again, and pretend didn't happen. Like Ric.

Especially Ric.

Thanks. Your response means a lot.

Ha! Thanks, but I'm just a jackass, stuck inside during a pandemic, on the internet.

And I agree with WonderNight about pretty much everything he/she said. Though if I had it my way, Dick would most definitely be a globe trotting hero. He can live in Bludhaven and the city should have that Vegas vibe, and Dick can own a renewed Haly's, but I really like that traveling element to Dick.

[AmiMizuno]

This could easily have Dick breaking down the court of owls hold the Cirus. Also, do the Court of Owls do crimes? So if this is the case Dick can easily go and invested each crime-stopping them. I'm curious with what Dc has given us so far Babs, Kori and now Zatanna. So should Dick dick Zatanna has a new change or just stay within the family

[Robanker]

Milestones for Dick Grayson?

*Origin (orphaned ten year-old acrobat)
*Robin Year One (complete with his savage beating at the hands of Two Face, cementing his hatred of him)
*The longest tenure of any Robin/World's Finest (before the Justice League forms)
*Forming the Fab Five Teen Titans/DickBabs happening as they become teens
*Forming the New Teen Titans/Friction with Bruce
*Giving up Robin and taking on Nightwing
*Almost marrying Kori.
*Prodigal
*Bludhaven
*DickBats
*Agent 37
*Returning to Nightwing

And that's more or less it. Obviously I'm omitting stuff like nearly killing The Joker for good in Last Laugh, taking a bullet for Bruce in Infinite Crisis and the like, but if I were making a "Nightwing 101" video, this is probably what I'd cover.

You ignore Ric, and while I could take a dig at it, ultimately it's because it doesn't matter for him as a character. Look at Superman Blue. It's a moment we remember for being silly, but in the greater tapestry of Superman's history, it actually doesn't come into play much outside of a reference here or there, but if you had to truncate Superman's life into a six issue mini, I imagine it gets cut very early. Likewise, Ric is an editorial mandate to spin plates and devalue an IP. Yeah, we hate it, but it's going to just be forgotten save for the butt of a joke, a la Jared Stevens as FATE.

I guess I did take a dig at it. Whoops. I regret nothing.

[WonderNight]

This could easily have Dick breaking down the court of owls hold the Cirus. Also, do the Court of Owls do crimes? So if this is the case Dick can easily go and invested each crime-stopping them. I'm curious with what Dc has given us so far Babs, Kori and now Zatanna. So should Dick dick Zatanna has a new change or just stay within the family

Yes I do ship Dick and zatanna and they fit better in my mind but that's not why I what zatanna, vixen and someothers in a vegas bludhaven.

It's also so character like nightwing, zatanna, vixen ect can help each other out. Nightwing needs a recurring cast of faces that matters and can stay form creator to creator and stronger ties to the DCU outside if batman.

Those other characters are only in teambooks or limbo. Them in bludhaven could give them a semi home book. Something to do outside of team books like zatanna being one of dick's Haly circus star performer's, or vixen stopping by for a fashion show, lex and bruce stopping by for some billionaire gambling or lois and Clark to cover a big POV event.

This way these characters don't have to spin time set'in in limbo waiting on a new teambook and dick has his recurring cast and nightwing and bludhaven are more connected to the DCU. This is a shared universe right.

[AmiMizuno]

How does Vixen fit in Nightwing's world?

[Restingvoice]

How does Vixen fit in Nightwing's world?

They interact as fellow Justice League candidates and members but that's about as much as I know

[Restingvoice]

This could easily have Dick breaking down the court of owls hold the Cirus. Also, do the Court of Owls do crimes? So if this is the case Dick can easily go and invested each crime-stopping them. I'm curious about what Dc has given us so far Babs, Kori, and now Zatanna. So should Dick dick Zatanna has a new change or just stay within the family

The Court's hold on the circus already broken the moment Dick inherited it, and even after the Circus left Dick, none of the current generations of members know about Haly's dealing with The Court.

The Court still kidnaps children, commit political murder, and human trafficking. The first arc of Nightwing Rebirth was crime-stopping them and it's one of the better arcs.

Zatanna in the comic canon was Bruce's childhood love interest. They're around the same age range. I'd personally avoid sharing women between father and son.

[bob.schoonover]

If I was to reboot Nightwing (not dick) I'd just lay down the core ground work.

1) location- I'd prefer nightwing globetrotting but I get DC what's bludhaven so I'd go with that. Bludhaven should be the metropolis of entertainment, full of casinos, resorts, nightclubs ect. It has so much potential. It could have the world's biggest Tokyo town district full of Japanese culture like anime, video games and restaurants. It could have it's own MSG of all the big live events. A famous beach like miami. Just so much potential to have something unique to nightwing.

2)Career- The new and improved Halys circus. Dick own the circus and rebuilds it for his family legacy and for the poor and youth of bludhaven to have jobs. This fit the new bludhaven with the vegas look.

3)DCU- If dick can't go out into the DCU than bring it to him! Tourists, drug, weapons and meta human trafficking ect. Have other heroes and characters live there also like with Gotham (sideways, black canary) and metropolis (black lightning, traci 13) characters that fits the new bludhaven like Zatanna, Vixen, deadman, the royal flush gang and with his speed wally stops by to hang with his best bro.

This would be a good foundation for nightwing.

I think I'd rather they update the circus concept in concert with Bludhaven's location - instead of a circus, something like a family entertainment plaza/arcade. You'd still have the Haly's repertoire - animal shows, feats of daring, magic acts, etc., but more like a Vegas casino with Sigfried & Roy and Cirque du Soleil both under the same roof. It can still be named after Haly and keep Dick close to his roots, but if he's running one of the entertainment companies in Bludhaven, he'd be in the middle of the action: thwarting plots against his business, getting leaned on for protection money, overhearing schemes at the bar, etc. It's also good (as you say) for tying Dick into the rest of the DC Universe. Since some spies know and trust Dick, they might want to use Haly's as a meeting place with informants; Zatanna might want to perform there; it's certainly the kind of place Hal and Ollie might go to blow off steam (Jason and Roy whenever he comes back, too); and Young Justice or the Teen Titans might sneak out for a night on the town whenever.

[Rac7d*]

How does Vixen fit in Nightwing's world?

She actually an ally or Barbra

[Digifiend]

Eh? She wasn't a Bird of Prey, was she?

[qwazer07]

Big question time!

How would you feel if DC gave Dick Grayson his one true love? Don't really care if it's Babs, Kori, Helena, etc. As in they go all in and push this OTP like Lois and Clark. Would you be happy or even accept it? Any benefits or worries for the former bachelor Grayson.

[Ascended]

Pushing a legit, "this is The One" mandated love interest for Dick? I'd feel like DC was putting in the smallest effort possible to build a foundation for him. A main love interest isn't a necessary thing, but it's one of the cornerstones of fiction, and in comics is one of those boxes you really want to check off if you're aiming for the A-list. This is something they likely should have been doing already, so my reaction would probably be closer to "you're finally doing your jobs, about time" than anything else. Dick doesn't necessarily *need* a main love interest, but it's generally a positive thing to include.

Whether I'd support it....depends on the execution. And who "The One" was. I won't pretend like that wouldn't influence me. But a lot of things can be forgiven or overlooked if the execution is quality, and if the story was worth reading then I can get over it if "my" choice for Dick's love interest wasn't the lucky gal.

[qwazer07]

I think it will be dangerous. A lot of people will be mad and salty. DC would have a lot more to lose than to gain.

[Godlike13]

You guys are going to love this idea but honestly a Nightwing/Batgirl book might not be the worse idea. Both books numbers aren’t great, Ric and apathy have not been kind. So it’s not like a simple relaunch is going to re-attract general audiences at this point. Nightwing/Batgirl potentially pools their fan bases, is generally favorable, while also combines the work load for an office that struggles to find the work ethic or capacity to properly support multiple books.

[Restingvoice]

Big question time!

How would you feel if DC gave Dick Grayson his one true love? Don't really care if it's Babs, Kori, Helena, etc. As in they go all in and push this OTP like Lois and Clark. Would you be happy or even accept it? Any benefits or worries for the former bachelor Grayson.

I don't care but I know a lot of people care and DC knows it will break the fanbase so that's why they haven't done it. The one time they made him married, they made him married twice at the same time. I laughed when I saw Convergence 80s Dick married Kori and Post Crisis Dick married Babs. That's when I know they know. XD