Zack Snyder's JUSTICE LEAGUE on HBOmax in 2021!

[Jack The Tripper]

Have to agree, once Avengers came out most of the general audience wanted the same formula as the MCU films instead of allowing the DC and Marvel films to be different from each other, which would have been a win for everyone.

I also think it can't be stated enough that many people were not open to seeing certain portrayals of Superman outside of the campy boyscout but at the same time didn't want to see the same Superman from prior iterations. Superman is hard to portray right now and its not just because of MCU comparisons but people's own internal biases of how the character should be.

No one disagrees re: general audience wanting things up to that same standard, but I don't think that's the same as critics - the GA were enjoying transformers for a good few instalments and critics were not. The Snyder fan perspective that critics are biased is ridiculous. I don't think it's too far fetched to say that Snyder's movies have been quite messy (whether that's down to him or WB is another thing) - but MoS wasn't terribly received really, I think if the final fight wasn't SO bleak, messy and destruction porn-y it would have been better received. I'd argue it has been about as well received as Thor 2, which was probably only saved due to Thor and Loki already being known.

However when it got to BvS I think it's fair to see why it was compared poorly to the MCU movies - it had inconsistent character work, a messy plot, a poor script, and overall suffered from bloating. This was arguably because it rushed introducing characters and having a team up movie a la MCU. But yeah, professional critics only care about good movies, I think most don't care whether it Marvel/DC or bright/dark. The problem is that DC's attempts felt like they were playing catch up.

The worst thing is, I think Snyder could have made a decent Superman trilogy, but was rushed into making the whole universe first, which is unfortunate.

[Jack The Tripper]

Why does she hate Jessica Chastain?

Hell if I know lol. She says she's a bad actor but I don't think the majority would agree lol. It seems like jealousy tbh

[Midvillian1322]

Hell if I know lol. She says she's a bad actor but I don't think the majority would agree lol. It seems like jealousy tbh

I've only seen a view of her videos. She's seem pretty sensational. I try to avoid people who are like that. I enjoy Campea because he's the complete opposite of her.

[ComicJunkie21]

Interesting. I find the MCU films I like are always rewatchable, and the ones I'm not into I don't really go back to. Nothing really increases or decreases in watchability for me.

It's the same for DC, but many DCEU films aren't as good to me.

This is probably where differences in film tastes come in. While I can enjoy the MCU films when I watch them, the storyline elements don't resonate with me longterm. Imo most mcu films don't have a very strong individual storyline but that could be a sacrifice due to the larger overarching story that is trying to be told. Additionally, while the comedy is okay the first time, most of the jokes lose alot of their impact after the first listen. I'm not anti comedies either, there are plenty of films with great lines that never get old to me but I just think the bulk of MCU comedy elements don't land with multiple watches.

For DC films, the storyline elements keep me rewatching it because the storyline in each film is actually moderately strong. Even in animation, comics and tv I have leaned more towards DC because of the story itself is engaging and if their is comedy it leans more towards sarcasm, which tends to flow better in the dialogues imo. If you've seen the DCAU films those are great imo but they are dark too, definitely not for most people.

[CosmiComic]

Hell if I know lol. She says she's a bad actor but I don't think the majority would agree lol. It seems like jealousy tbh

Seems weird to hate one actress

This is probably where differences in film tastes come in. While I can enjoy the MCU films when I watch them, the storyline elements don't resonate with me longterm. Imo most mcu films don't have a very strong individual storyline but that could be a sacrifice due to the larger overarching story that is trying to be told. Additionally, while the comedy is okay the first time, most of the jokes lose alot of their impact after the first listen. I'm not anti comedies either, there are plenty of films with great lines that never get old to me but I just think the bulk of MCU comedy elements don't land with multiple watches.

For DC films, the storyline elements keep me rewatching it because the storyline in each film is actually moderately strong. Even in animation, comics and tv I have leaned more towards DC because of the story itself is engaging and if their is comedy it leans more towards sarcasm, which tends to flow better in the dialogues imo. If you've seen the DCAU films those are great imo but they are dark too, definitely not for most people.

I wouldn't say the plots are MCU's strong suit. They're not, and could be a lot better. I'm more interested in the characters, whose personalities I like a lot.

I haven't seen recent DCAU films but I'll check them out.

[ComicJunkie21]

Seems weird to hate one actress



I wouldn't say the plots are MCU's strong suit. They're not, and could be a lot better. I'm more interested in the characters, whose personalities I like a lot.

I haven't seen recent DCAU films but I'll check them out.

DCAU films are the best superhero films imo if we include dc and marvel. I would suggest before watching the newer ones to at least finish Justice League Dark Apokolips. To not spoil anything I won't say why but I strongly recommend it.

[CosmiComic]

DCAU films are the best superhero films imo if we include dc and marvel. I would suggest before watching the newer ones to at least finish Justice League Dark Apokolips. To not spoil anything I won't say why but I strongly recommend it.

Thanks.

Would you say they adhere more to the source material?

Also, do they have the same general audience as the live action movies?

[Thezmage]

Thanks.

Would you say they adhere more to the source material?

Also, do they have the same general audience as the live action movies?

No. The Hush adaptation even (undetailed spoilers)spoilers:

changed the identity of Hush

end of spoilers

and

No.

[CosmiComic]

No. The Hush adaptation even (undetailed spoilers)spoilers:

changed the identity of Hush

end of spoilers

and

No.

Ok, Thanks

[ComicJunkie21]

DCAU films while close to the source material will change some key parts to keep the story from being a complete copy of the comicbook. So I would say they don't follow the source material to a T but are closer to the material than any live action adaptations.

And the audience is definitely more mature. The films are mostly PG-13 with some R sprinkled in here and there. The only film that was a letdown was the Killing Joke, hard to recommend that to anyone.

[CosmiComic]

DCAU films while close to the source material will change some key parts to keep the story from being a complete copy of the comicbook. So I would say they don't follow the source material to a T but are closer to the material than any live action adaptations.

And the audience is definitely more mature. The films are mostly PG-13 with some R sprinkled in here and there. The only film that was a letdown was the Killing Joke, hard to recommend that to anyone.

Cool. I like anything as long as it's not too childish (or too pointless crude, but I doubt DC would do that!)

[ComicJunkie21]

Just rewatched the JL trailer with Darkseid and I'm pretty excited because he just is a bad guy who wants to f everything up. Most superhero films as of late have the antagonist evil with a reason by being wronged and seeking justice their way, different view on right and wrong, etc. Its a nice mix to see different types of villians and I feel like we haven't seen a villian like Darkseid who simply wants to end all existence and anyone who is existing should have a problem with that. Most people would agree that he is bad and his plans must be stopped by any means necessary.

[Midvillian1322]

I know Grace and then sketchy sources like We got this covered reporting Justice league 2 happening is gonna get Snydercut people even more worked up. Despite how wrong about stuff they usually are. Also you can't make Justice League 2 for 70m. What they should do is greenlight it but as an Animated film. That's has a real chance of happening live action seems like a very very very long shot. I don't see them handing Snyder another 200m+ budget film. Defiently not for a streaming service.

[ComicJunkie21]

I know Grace and then sketchy sources like We got this covered reporting Justice league 2 happening is gonna get Snydercut people even more worked up. Despite how wrong about stuff they usually are. Also you can't make Justice League 2 for 70m. What they should do is greenlight it but as an Animated film. That's has a real chance of happening live action seems like a very very very long shot. I don't see them handing Snyder another 200m+ budget film. Defiently not for a streaming service.

I think that any sequel talk from warner or news outlets should be reserved until after the numbers come in. Regardless on how I personally feel about the films, there has to be a financially sound plan to move forward with these films before greenlighting anything. Acting prematurely at this point would be very poor management.

Additionally, depending on the success of this film it may prompt more questions than answers on direction forward. Like do you continue the current DC film continuity on HBO Max but then how do you continue WW, Aquaman, Shazam, etc in theaters? Do you reboot with a black Superman still? Too many questions will come up based on the success so at this time its too early to say.

[CosmiComic]

I think people wanted a Superman who actually had a personality