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    Quote Originally Posted by AcesX1X View Post
    the avengers don't have the authority to make that call.
    Neither do the X-Men, so what even was the point of them all showing up to argue about bringing her to justice? Super heroes are weird. But anyway, they don't go on trial for the horrible stuff they do. Mostly because artists don't like courtroom scenes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tudors View Post
    The Scarlet Witch commited GENOCIDE on a entire SPECIES and the Avengers still have her around.
    Because it obviously couldn't have been her fault, given that there was no motivation and it was clearly mind control. And everyone on the team has been mind controlled.

    But actually, after House of M, the Avengers abandoned Wanda and refused to even look for her for years. That's mega harsh and much worse than the way the X-Men have ever treated any of their own.

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    I'm not the biggest SW fan but the simple fact is that the same defense that applies to Cyclops, to Jean, to Wolverine, to Johnny Blaze, to Sharon Carter, to any of Apocalypse's horsemen, to every other character who's been mind controlled or possessed applies to her. Yes she was reckless in going to see Doom, yes she does carry some of the blame for that action but not to the extent that many of her detractors want to paint her with.

    The problem with SW is that the writers post M-Day meltdown have been (shockingly) inconsistent with her characterization. She hasn't been written, in most of her appearances as particularly sympathetic or (especially in UA) sensitive to the consequences of her actions. Amusingly enough her appearance in ANXM was the most sympathetic I've read (in my opinion).

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    Quote Originally Posted by gurkle View Post
    No, because 1) Hardly anyone in the Marvel Universe ever stands trial for anything 2) The "possession and mind control" excuse was accepted by both the Avengers and X-Men as reason not to put her on trial (probably because they all knew "Doom did it" makes more sense than "Wanda hates mutants").



    If it makes you feel better, just consider that all those years she was banned from the comics, she was serving a prison sentence of a sort.
    that is BULLSHIT this is not a penalty!!!she deserves the death penalty- the lady is a mass murderer!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gurkle View Post
    Neither do the X-Men, so what even was the point of them all showing up to argue about bringing her to justice? Super heroes are weird. But anyway, they don't go on trial for the horrible stuff they do. Mostly because artists don't like courtroom scenes.
    the x-men don't have that authority either. she needs to stand trial for her crimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gurkle View Post
    neither do the x-men, so what even was the point of them all showing up to argue about bringing her to justice? Super heroes are weird. But anyway, they don't go on trial for the horrible stuff they do. Mostly because artists don't like courtroom scenes.
    the x men are wanda´s victims and the x men cry for justice!

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    It turns out this “Holocaust” is actually named Genocide, and .. the Scarlet Witch had done it with her “No more mutants” spell ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gurkle View Post
    No, because 1) Hardly anyone in the Marvel Universe ever stands trial for anything 2) The "possession and mind control" excuse was accepted by both the Avengers and X-Men as reason not to put her on trial (probably because they all knew "Doom did it" makes more sense than "Wanda hates mutants").

    If it makes you feel better, just consider that all those years she was banned from the comics, she was serving a prison sentence of a sort.
    This is a silly cop out - not appearing in any comics doesn't count as repentance, because there was no progression to her story in that time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IdaqiBeauty View Post
    She called Rogue mutant trailer trash. She's a bigot. And let's not shame people who have legit reasons to be in the closet. Xavier and Cyclops didn't have a trio of Aryan bodyguards (Thor, Captain America and Hawkeye) and an incestuous brother at their beck and call.
    She was mind-controlled by the Red Skull, so pretty much all the conclusions you made out of this incident are moot.

    Quote Originally Posted by AcesX1X View Post
    the avengers don't have the authority to make that call.
    No one has the authority. A court of law would probably rule out the charges against her.
    As for her peers, they pretty much accepted to drop the issue themselves when Cyclops decided to back down on it with everyone following his lead at the end of CC.
    "The means are as important as the end - we have to do this right or not at all.
    Anything less negates every belief we've ever had, every sacrifice we've ever made."


    "Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."

    "No justice, no peace."

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    well then a court of law CAN make that ruling! stop ignoring justice just because you feel like she "probably" will get away with it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by People Of The Earth View Post
    She was mind-controlled by the Red Skull, so pretty much all the conclusions you made out of this incident are moot.



    No one has the authority. A court of law would probably rule out the charges against her.
    As for her peers, they pretty much accepted to drop the issue themselves when Cyclops decided to back down on it with everyone following his lead at the end of CC.
    So you admit that you are okay with genocide ?

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    There is a massive difference between stealing something and wiping out an entire species.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AcesX1X View Post
    well then a court of law CAN make that ruling! stop ignoring justice just because you feel like she "probably" will get away with it!
    I already asked whose juridiction would be in play earlier, so no, I'm not ignoring anything, thanks.
    "The means are as important as the end - we have to do this right or not at all.
    Anything less negates every belief we've ever had, every sacrifice we've ever made."


    "Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."

    "No justice, no peace."

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    Quote Originally Posted by People Of The Earth View Post
    I already asked whose juridiction would be in play earlier, so no, I'm not ignoring anything, thanks.
    the world court for one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by People Of The Earth View Post
    Doom admitted his involvement in this in CC, then again in Avengers World while inverted.
    Notice how in CC he brandished his role in this as an etendard, whilst when inverted he showed remorse and guilt for what he had done.
    So no, he wasn't lying on this one.



    Yet, Wanda was possessed all the while so clearly Emma is not as competent as you think she is given she didn't detect the Life Force.



    Yes, she wasn't insane, she was possessed.
    I don't even think the charges would stand the scrutiny of a real court of law, not for long at least.
    I find Inverted Doom no more credible than non-inverted Doom, but that is just my opinion.Was it ever explained how he went from being another person affected by the spell to the mustache twirling mastermind that manipulated her somehow while being under the same spell as most everyone else. House of M basically came about because of a bunch of random actions, Wanda goes nuts disassembles the Avengers asses( that is not a random action however it is a catalyst ). Magneto (who may or may have not been a construct of her mind appears and takes her to Genosha. Quicksilver gives his suggestion to Wanda. Heck i understand that Doom has basically become Mr. Dues Ex Machina but this just looks like we need to take the heat off Wanda so lets add more lazy writing to absolve the lazy writing that got Wanda in this to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by People Of The Earth View Post
    She was mind-controlled by the Red Skull, so pretty much all the conclusions you made out of this incident are moot.
    He was scripting her every word, too? When does Wanda actually decide on her own dialogue?

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