@almightyamortal:
SA mentioned that Darkseid has an advantage in speed and suggests, through their numerous conflicts with the superhero teams of their respective worlds, that they are comparable in other aspects.
#179 Posted by reikai
And they are absolutely wrong. Darkseid is comparable to Supes in speed. Silver Surfer is much faster and Thanos slaps him around easily. The only one to ever actually blitz Thanos was the Runner with the Space Gem. And really, only because he allowed it, because Thanos wanted to defeat the Elders of the Universe through his superior cunning and intellect as opposed to just murdering them all through sheer force.
And when Darkseid fights teams, he always has trouble with Superman. It's a constant. But Thanos? Thanos treats people on the same tier as Superman as annoying children. Even Drax at his most physically powerful, where he was gifted with infinite strength, was still no more than a minor distraction to Thanos.
@almightyamortal:
Thanos may have the advantage in the marvel universe, but only because the gauntlet is fully functional and could potentially protect him from the ALE.
#179 Posted by reikai
The ALE can and has been resisted and Thanos is effectively impervious to mental effects unless he lowers his defenses to allow them or an extremely powerful artifact is in play. Like a Cosmic Cube. And all that did was weaken him enough to be restrained, not controlled. The ALE would have absolutely no effect on Thanos at all. This is a guy who takes the Penance Stare with his morning coffee.
@almightyamortal:
Unfortunately any avatar he defeats (which he should do so with a simple snap of his finger) , is not a true death battle victory, because Darkseid would still live.
#179 Posted by reikai
And "true" Darkseid, isn't really any different from his avatars, making it pointless to even bring it up. Could just come back and say that wasn't the "real" Thanos. It was just a Thanosi clone Thanos was using to test Darkseid since he could already perceive the future through his Time Window. Then True Infinity Thanos steps in and pimpslaps Darkseid and the entire DCU.
@almightyamortal:
With the omega sanctions, Darkseid may be able to continuously shift Thanos through multiple realities
#179 Posted by reikai
Which would have no effect on Thanos as he regularly travels through various realities and dimensions and can teleport freely. You can't BFR Thanos. Once again, making Darkseid's biggest assets completely useless against the Mad Titan.
@almightyamortal:
but with the time stone that seems unlikely, as he could simply manipulate time to avoid the beams.
#179 Posted by reikai
Or Thanos just blocks them with his many shields or any of his own energy beams and offensive abilities. Thanos doesn't need the Time Gem, or any of the gems for that matter. His baseline stats completely overshadow Darkseid's.
@almightyamortal:
I don't agree with SA, showing that for reasons unknown he simply and foolishly walked through the boom tube.... nor would I be satisfied with another version where Darkseid, in his true form, enters the marvel universe to begin a fight that he may not win, especially after seeing the power of the gauntlet via the avatars.
#179 Posted by reikai
And this is why most debaters and VS communities have the characters involved fighting in a Neutral Location that allows for all of their own personal abilities to function as per normal. They quite literally rigged the fight in Darkseid's favor and ignored everything about Thanos they could to dumb him down severely.
@almightyamortal:
Now as for Thanos outmatching Darkseid, can you actually prove this?
#179 Posted by reikai
It's been proven time after time after time. The biggest claims for Darkseid from DC fans are all pulled out of context and things that only happen due to a very specific order of events. Darkseid's not multiversal. He can't mind control billions on a whim. Nor can he withstand the sheer level of force that the Mad Titan has shown capable of numerous times.
Every time we see a DC Future story, Darkseid is dead or non-existent. And the one time he was in the future, he lost hilariously easily. Future storylines in Marvel regarding Thanos? Everyone is dead or laid bare by the Mad Titan. In "Thanos Wins" we see this with King Thanos, who killed the entire Marvel Universe, abstracts and all. The Celestials, Galactus, all of them murdered by Thanos. Everyone from Captain America to Doctor Strange is slaughtered by Thanos. Black Bolt and the Hulk are ragdolls before Thanos. Old King Thor is no more a challenge than a disobedient child.
When there is a future that involves Thanos, there is no future.
And the only one stopping this future from happening, is Thanos himself.
So no. There is no stalemate. And there is nothing putting Darkseid above Thanos in any category. Thanos solidly outclasses him every time.