I don't think Punchline is meant to be a standalone character, at least not right now in her current phase of development. I think her current function is to squarely be an antagonist. to that end, it's probably best not to overindulge her with too much solo material because that'll either oversaturate her (like Joker) or overly humanizer as a protagonist (Deadpool, Harley Quin).
THE SIGNAL (Duke Thomas) is DC's secret shonen protagonist so I made him a fandom wiki
also, check out "The Signal Tape" a Duke Thomas fan project.
currently following:
- DC: Red Hood: The Hill
- Marvel: TBD
- Manga (Shonen/Seinen): One Piece, My Hero, Dandadan, Jujutsu Kaisen, Kaiju No. 8, Reincarnation of The Veteran Soldier, Oblivion Rouge, ORDEAL, The Breaker: Eternal Force
"power does not corrupt, power always reveals."
Yeah so it looks like DC is using the anthologies to potentially test the market to see if certain characters are strong enough sellers to attract an audience. Would love to see Superfamily and Wonderfamily anthologies as well. Everything Tynion says about Natman sounds interesting, a cyberpunk horror Scarecrow story is right up my alley.
I like his newsletter and his creator-owned stuff. I'm not too fond of his Batman run but maybe I'm just burned out on batman and need a break.
I'd like to see Harper advance past Punchline when things come to a close, the more I think about it, the more it seems like Harper's identity could be compromised by someone in Punchline's group. While I can't see Cullen up and telling his new boyfriend Bluff that his sister is a vigilante (or even telling Punchline that himself), I could see Bluff putting two and two together if he ever met Harper out of costume. Likewise, I don't think it'll be long before Marcus Row (who is aware of Harper's association with Batman) comes to Punchline trying to get into whatever she's got planned while she's in Blackgate.
I'm currently reading Batman, Detective Comics, DCeased: Dead Planet, Dark Knights: Death Metal, Daredevil, Thor, Nightwing, The Rise of Ultraman and Red Hood and The Outlaws. I'm also trade-waiting the Hickman-era of X-Men comics.
So basically, DC is going to slap the "Batman" label across the covers of a ton of spin-offs for fan-submission characters that barely got their noses wet in the Batman mythos, while little to nothing is going to be happening in the main Batman titles. What a disappointment. And "manga-influenced action insanity"? What!?
I don't mind the cyberpunk vibe that Tynion wants to move towards, but it seems to be a bandwagon move rather than a natural progression—I also just simply prefer the gothic nature of Gotham. If anything interesting comes of it, I might pick up a trade, but there's nothing Tynion's said so far that has me excited for this current lineup. See you in 7 months.
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That there will be more conversation between creators sounds good. I can see different people working more closely together like Ram V & Tynion and Taylor & Tamaki.
If BatCat returns to continuity it'll be interesting to see how Ram V will include it in his Catwoman run.
I find Tynion a really talented writer whose Batman has been bland so far. From my understanding, a lot of his plans were changed due to the scrapped 5G plans and the coronavirus shutdowns, so he's only really been able to have free reign in the title starting in March. (As far as we know, he was meant to be the fill-in writer on the title until issue 100, where Tim Fox was going to take over that John Ridley was probably gonna write). The newsletter also implies that Jorge Jiminez is the main monthly artist so at the very least the art will be top - notch.
Speaking of Tim, the three year plan comment does have me thinking. If we're going off three years after March 2021, that should bring us to the year 2024. That year was rattling around in my head for some reason until I realized that the "canon" year of the Future State books for the Bat-line was 2025, the year where Tim takes the Batman mantle and Future State: Nightwing, Catwoman, Sirens and Red Hood all take place. 2024 would also be the 85th Anniversary of Bruce's debut and could serve as his temporary send off. I don't know how long term the DC editorial office is planning but maybe we have to take them at their word and Tim will in fact be the "next" Batman starting then.
Tynion was absolutely only going to get to 100 and this future junk was going to be the new norm for years (it would of tanked ) thankfully didio was fired and they were smart enough to say future state (they paid for the work might as well use it for a few months) was a possible reality spinning out of death metal. They made it so they have options.
I don't think tynion will get three full years. I think he may get to the end of 2021 or midway through 2022 before the plug is pulled. Morrison got dicked around, king did as well. I don't think tynion will be able to keep the sales up. I totally expect a reboot in late 2021 or 2022. My dream would be to get zdarsky to come over and take over batman. I'd def settle for Taylor or priest. I'd even be down for a tomasi fill in run after tynion..
Future state is garbage and everyone deep down knows it. It's just some people are more optimistic. In two months this place will be filled with threads about how stupid it was...book it!!
It looks logical on paper, but I doubt they can make some long-term plan in current situation. And also it depends on many factors, first of all on sales. And we also need to see if Tim will be accepted by the fanbase. Besides, if Reeves's Batman is succesful, 2024-2025 is very realistic date for sequel. It's unlikely they will replace Bruce at this point.
More likely they'll just will make Next Batman series similar to Batman Beyond, maybe even soon, since we've seen Next Batman on Infinite Frontier cover.
you're projecting dude and probably shouldn't speak for others. unless the majority of people are lying for whatever reason, the people preemptively writing Future State off as trash are the minority. as they should because, and i think everyone deep down knows, it's a vapid and needlessly defeatist take.
THE SIGNAL (Duke Thomas) is DC's secret shonen protagonist so I made him a fandom wiki
also, check out "The Signal Tape" a Duke Thomas fan project.
currently following:
- DC: Red Hood: The Hill
- Marvel: TBD
- Manga (Shonen/Seinen): One Piece, My Hero, Dandadan, Jujutsu Kaisen, Kaiju No. 8, Reincarnation of The Veteran Soldier, Oblivion Rouge, ORDEAL, The Breaker: Eternal Force
"power does not corrupt, power always reveals."
Mentioned it in the Punchline thread but I’m intrigued by Tynions thoughts on bringing in Manga influences to western comics. It shows in his work in Batman (most of all Clownhunter) - and so far it works. Intrigued to see where he takes it.
Interested in his Joker book and ANOTHER new character he thinks will have the same appeal and impact as Punchline.