Birds of Prey Reactions

[Zero Hunter]

Like people have said before the biggest thing is this movie was marketed very baddly. That and the main audience for Harlly Quinn is teenage girls and when they decided to make this movie rated R they cut the major part of those people out of the theater. It is not any wonder this movie failed to live up to expectations. The wonder is how it did as well as it did with all the blunders.

[Slowpokeking]

Like people have said before the biggest thing is this movie was marketed very baddly. That and the main audience for Harlly Quinn is teenage girls and when they decided to make this movie rated R they cut the major part of those people out of the theater. It is not any wonder this movie failed to live up to expectations. The wonder is how it did as well as it did with all the blunders.

Why do ppl still blame it for marketing instead of looking at the quality, casting and agenda problem.

[titanfan]

Why do ppl still blame it for marketing instead of looking at the quality, casting and agenda problem.

Because it was an otherwise good film.

[80sbaby]

Why do ppl still blame it for marketing instead of looking at the quality, casting and agenda problem.

It's called "objectivity."

[kjn]

I think the 'traditional audiences' have actually been pretty damn open minded when it comes to superhero movies, when you think about it.

Superhero movies offer a diverse type of protagonist, when you get down to it. An African Prince, an armored CEO trying to redeem himself, a God learning humility, an Amazon princess learning about an entirely new world, etc.

Most action movie protagonists are ex cops, or ex military, burned out, etc etc. We know their resume and backstory by heart most of the time.

Have they? The amount of lead characters who haven't been white dudes in modern live action superhero movies over the last ten years can be counted on one hand: Wonder Woman, Black Panther, Captain Marvel, and Harley Quinn. Batman alone has had as many movies!

Like people have said before the biggest thing is this movie was marketed very baddly. That and the main audience for Harlly Quinn is teenage girls and when they decided to make this movie rated R they cut the major part of those people out of the theater. It is not any wonder this movie failed to live up to expectations. The wonder is how it did as well as it did with all the blunders.

I'm not sure the main audience for Harley Quinn is teenage girls. She sure seems popular amongst older women as well.

Going PG-13 would, I think, have hurt the movie's quality, and in the situation that WB and DC is in, I think they'd prefer a quality movie at the cost of some profit rather than pushing for max profit. It's an analysis that I agree with.

[80sbaby]

Have they? The amount of lead characters who haven't been white dudes in modern live action superhero movies over the last ten years can be counted on one hand: Wonder Woman, Black Panther, Captain Marvel, and Harley Quinn. Batman alone has had as many movies!

To be fair, The Cool Thatguy is talking about what audiences will accept and your point is more about what studios will green light. Those are 2 separate issues.

[Slowpokeking]

Because it was an otherwise good film.

If it was, it would not flop at all.

The marketing is not perfect but wasn't that awful. Ppl simply don't like it.

[Slowpokeking]

It's called "objectivity."

Then you need to look into the movie's own problem.

[80sbaby]

If it was, it would not flop at all.

The marketing is not perfect but wasn't that awful. Ppl simply don't like it.

Most of the people that actually saw it, liked the film. That's the point and why it basically came down to marketing.

[80sbaby]

Then you need to look into the movie's own problem.

Did and you're wrong.

[kjn]

To be fair, The Cool Thatguy is talking about what audiences will accept and your point is more about what studios will green light. Those are 2 separate issues.

Oops. I had an addendum to that, and missed to include it.

Of those four movies, three faced major backlashes from neofascists or far-right groups. Rotten Tomatoes had to rework how they handled pre-movie reviews and ratings over Black Panther, and Captain Marvel and Brie Larson faced orchestrated smear campaigns. The same was true for Birds of Prey, even before the film was released. The difference between BoP versus the two earlier Marvel films is that the Marvel films managed to gain enough of a market so they could run over the reactionaries. BoP failed at that.

So I disagree that "traditional audiences" have been open-minded. Some of them sure, but there is a large and influential tail that is anything but.

[Slowpokeking]

Why should ppl go watch this movie?

Comic fans? Nah because it's nowhere close to BoP in the comic. The cast, the absence of Barbra are all meh. They aren't even the main focus but instead it's a Harley Quinn movie.
Ordinary Superhero movie fans? Most of the casts are not attractive other than Robbie, no awesome action scenes. Harley Quinn herself isn't enough to attract ppl in. Also ppl don't want to see Woke agenda.
Female audience? How many of them are superhero fans? Do they really want to see a bunch of weirdos smashing men for 2 hours? They also like to see handsome and pretty actors with a good story. I've heard quite a few female fans complain about it as well.

[Slowpokeking]

Oops. I had an addendum to that, and missed to include it.

Of those four movies, three faced major backlashes from neofascists or far-right groups. Rotten Tomatoes had to rework how they handled pre-movie reviews and ratings over Black Panther, and Captain Marvel and Brie Larson faced orchestrated smear campaigns. The same was true for Birds of Prey, even before the film was released. The difference between BoP versus the two earlier Marvel films is that the Marvel films managed to gain enough of a market so they could run over the reactionaries. BoP failed at that.

So I disagree that "traditional audiences" have been open-minded. Some of them sure, but there is a large and influential tail that is anything but.

Captain Marvel was a hit simply because it was riding on the Avengers.
Black Panther has great casting, action scenes/visual effects and the story was fine. It didn't blame white for everything but instead trying to see Wakanda's own flaw.

[80sbaby]

Why should ppl go watch this movie?

1. They're fans of Harley Quinn and want to support her.
2. It's a fun, action romp that doesn't take itself too seriously and is enjoyable.
3. The characters, while not exact replicas of their comic counterparts are still entertaining.
4. They like the themes as presented and how it's executed within the film.
5. They don't care about any of the things you're complaining about.

There you go!

[Slowpokeking]

Why should you spent the money to go into a movie that "wasn't made for you".

When it comes to the comparison with Aquaman, Aquaman had the benefit of being the big Christmas Block Buster for that year.
On top of this Aquaman with it's underwater 3D CGI scenes is a movie you have to see on the big screen for the full experience (and I think the visuals of the trailer was what made most people interested in the movie), the BoP trailer looks more like something you can watch on the small screen without much loss.

Aquaman's plot was generic, but ok for a blockbuster and the cast+ visual effect was good.

It's not that hard to make a good movie.