Honestly giving her any father takes aways a lot from her origin for me. I guess a non important father is better than Zeus but I'd rather neither and we go back to the original clay origin.
Zeus
Other God
regular person
She doesn't need a father
Honestly giving her any father takes aways a lot from her origin for me. I guess a non important father is better than Zeus but I'd rather neither and we go back to the original clay origin.
I always have and will vote no father.
The clay origin is iconic and no father figure can take it's place.
That said, if I had to pick a father figure for her I'd go with a regular person.
Should the regular guy be allowed to be immortal?
Problematic Zeus is less problematic than retconning a "regular guy" sperm donor into a relationship with the immortal Queen of the Amazons.
But that's just me.
Nope. If it has to be a regular guy, I want him to be absolutely normal. No immortalitt, no Amazon training, etc. Maybe he was a sailor or something (in which case maybe Hippolyta got pregnant during the (*)sex raids) but overall, for the most part, he should be normal everyday joe.
* - yes, I'm okay with the sex raids being canon.
If you wanted to give Diana a father that was a god Hepheastus would be my choice. He's a more sympathethic figure than Zeus or Ares so you'd see the appeal for Hippolyta but he's got issues that he can't overcome so it becomes "the nice guy who becomes a monster" trope.
The amazons don't have that high of an opinion towards men when Diana's story starts and giving Hippolyta a well adjusted relationship might clash with that notion. And it might make it messy for hippolyta to raise Diana without him having a say.
I guess it could work if the dude died a death before she was born or even thought to have died in a tragic way but it turns out he's still alive. You could make her dad a c-lister like Dr. Midnite or an average guy like Wilfred mott from Dr.who.
my favorite companion, a kind old man who was a private in WW2. He lived a long life gazing at the stars and wants his granddaughter to live a more fulfilling life. He'd totally be awesome as Diana's dad, he'd be her biggest fan.
Dr. Midnite could work as her dad because his skills aren't inate so hippolyta would respect his hard work and dedication to helping others. Plus he is a total blank slate so you could use him however you want without putting Diana out of her own story.
I am not offended.
People have been discussing the patriarchal/male supremacist aspects of this type of story - especially when it is treated as the default - and doing feminist analysis (and feminist versions) of myths, fairy tales, popular culture, and the like, for quite a few years. The fact that you've never seen it (or you feel special enough that you're above it) doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
And as I've pointed out before, I don't object to stories like this in general - although I have a issue with their near-ubiquity. I don't think they are the right choice for Wonder Woman, though. I don't think I'm special (in the way you seem to mean) - I think Wonder Woman's origin is special.
I have done exactly what you suggest, thank you: https://www.themarysue.com/wonder-wo...nal-narrative/.if that's the case you do an appalling job of saying otherwise, so perhaps you'd one day like to formulate it through something other than smoke signals from the arctic circle?
But I've mentioned that often enough that I think you're just being insulting without actually reading what people say. So I'll duck out now. Be well.
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I have no problem with the sex raids but not getting people drunk that the Amazons go to ports and have consenting sex. They look at the world and trade of their stuff for new tech to learn for it. The sex raids idea isn't bad but the way it was told was messy. Like why kill them. You could have left and that's it. I mean if the Amazons got to the boating ports and were looking around I don't think it would be hard for them to have a one night stand.
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Thank you for your kind words.
In my version of the "regular guy" father, Hippolyta is sent on a mission to Man's World by a goddess. She's there a month or two, seeking out and fighting some myth-related monster. A very decent and kind, but essentially ordinary, man gets caught up in the narrative. They become close, and spend a night together. But her mission is over, and "my place or yours?" doesn't really apply. (She has to go back and be queen of the Amazons; he really can't live there, and anyway has a life of his own, including a child from his previous marriage.) When she returns to Themyscira, she realizes she's pregnant.
Years later, when Diana goes to Man's World and becomes Wonder Woman, she seeks out her father. He has died, but she still has a mortal half-sister and other relatives to give her some connection in Man's World.
(Now, if you want the fan fiction version - well, I've never actually written it down. It's St. Louis. He runs a homeless shelter. He's missing an arm, from a war-time injury... But that's all besides the point.)
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