Bigger threat to the Marvel univers?

[XPac]

you are mistaken. he defended it from attack several times. Wolverine severed Magneto's spine; leaving Genosha vulnerable. it's like when Sentry removed Doom from Latveria as if he were disciplining a small child. sometimes the leaders of nations face a threat that is too large for them to handle. Genosha falling to a massive sentinel attack isn't any worse than Wakanda being flooded or Atlantis being wrecked by the Squadron Supreme.



having the ability to manipulate magnetic fields doesn't mean that you're smart enough to create a wormhole or build Asteroid M from scratch, either. Magneto uses his abilities to their utmost potential. Super intelligence is a power. there is literally no one like Doctor Doom in the real world.



you didn't read Infamous Iron Man.



you've proven that you can't. get off your high horse.



no he hasn't. Doom was born with everything he would need to thrive; even as part of a wandering tribe. Magneto had everything taken away from him as a boy and was buried alive with his family members. he felt real desperation not that cartoon depiction of "gypsy" life. Doom didn't have to dispose of other people's remains. he had a bed to sleep in. he wasn't starving. he was surrounded by people who loved him despite his awful personality. you're comparing living in a trailer park to reaching maturity in a deathcamp. again, he had super intelligence. it's why he could get on the U.S's radar. that same military tried to kill Magneto after using him as an assassin.

Genoshs falling is worse than what happened to Wakanda or Atlantis, because when other fictional nations fall they still get back up. Every time. Most of these mutant nations are lucky to last a year. They're not really a part of the franchise status quo ... they're just a part of a particular storyline. And they basically all vanish once that storyline had ended. In the next 3 decades we'll probably get another half dozen mutant nations rise and fall because that seems to be a thing for the x books.

[Michael Watkins]

Genoshs falling is worse than what happened to Wakanda or Atlantis, because when other fictional nations fall they still get back up. Every time.

or sometimes they relocate like the inhumans did. Magneto's tribe did come back. they are on Krakoa now. before that, they were above Atlantis. Magneto has never stayed down. he always has a following. but he's different from doom, t'challa, and Namor in that he doesn't care much about being king.

[XPac]

or sometimes they relocate like the inhumans did. Magneto's tribe did come back. they are on Krakoa now. before that, they were above Atlantis. Magneto has never stayed down. he always has a following. but he's different from doom, t'challa, and Namor in that he doesn't care much about being king.

Sure he has followers. I'm just saying he can't maintain any sort of actual nation or settlement. These things just come and go as needed by whatever story is being told.

[Michael Watkins]

Sure he has followers. I'm just saying he can't maintain any sort of actual nation or settlement. These things just come and go as needed by whatever story is being told.

the reason that the same thing doesn't happen to Doom is because Latveria is part of his costume. he's not Doom without a castle and something to lord over. Magneto is not that kind of character. he's a cult figure. a kingdom isn't necessary. there humans running around with Magneto-was-right tshirts. look at Briar Raleigh and her Magneto groupie convention. his "community" is much larger than Doom's. you're judging a villain who purposely operates globally by local guy standards. you should be giving him credit for maintaining a following with little effort. he doesn't check in with the Acolytes. they operate independently while still carrying out what they believe to be Magneto's mission. that's power that you can't buy.

[Revolutionary_Jack]

Magneto's tribe did come back. they are on Krakoa now.

You are aware that Krakoa is a Charles Xavier project and Magneto is his junior partner right? It's Xavier calling the shots for the most part in that story.

The mutants are not Magneto's tribe, and certainly not the X-Men.

[Michael Watkins]

You are aware that Krakoa is a Charles Xavier project and Magneto is his junior partner right? It's Xavier calling the shots for the most part in that story.

The mutants are not Magneto's tribe, and certainly not the X-Men.

Charles doesn't even seem to be in control of himself. he has adopted Magneto's stance on humanity (as has Polaris). Sabretooth was exiled for disobeying Magneto's order. Exodus, Magneto's lap dog, is currently indoctrinating the kids on Krakoa. not sure why we are even still debating this. it has nothing to do with threat level. Magneto is quite comfortable operating independently. they gave him Genosha because he threatened the world as a solo act. the only thing standing between Doom and the Latverian throne was a decidedly unimpressive human and an equally unimpressive human army. there were no Doom protocols. and he had the element of surprise. Magneto could have done the same thing. he did take over the Savage Land and that south american country.

[XPac]

Charles doesn't even seem to be in control of himself. he has adopted Magneto's stance on humanity (as has Polaris). Sabretooth was exiled for disobeying Magneto's order. Exodus, Magneto's lap dog, is currently indoctrinating the kids on Krakoa. not sure why we are even still debating this. it has nothing to do with threat level. Magneto is quite comfortable operating independently. they gave him Genosha because he threatened the world as a solo act. the only thing standing between Doom and the Latverian throne was a decidedly unimpressive human and an equally unimpressive human army. there were no Doom protocols. and he had the element of surprise. Magneto could have done the same thing. he did take over the Savage Land and that south american country.

If we are taking the convetation back to threat level, Magneto threatened the world and got a nation. A very very very impressive feat. But Dooms are still much bigger. And thats ultimately what it boils down to.

Marvel established Doom as THE guy, and writes him accordingly. He's the biggest threat because marvel says so, and constantly goves him the feats to back it up.

[Michael Watkins]

If we are taking the convetation back to threat level, Magneto threatened the world and got a nation. A very very very impressive feat. But Dooms are still much bigger. And thats ultimately what it boils down to.

Marvel established Doom as THE guy, and writes him accordingly. He's the biggest threat because marvel says so, and constantly goves him the feats to back it up.

i know. i just think that their viewpoint is outdated. it really just amounts to reverence for Jack Kirby and Stan Lee; an artificial hiearchy.

[XPac]

i know. i just think that their viewpoint is outdated. it really just amounts to reverence for Jack Kirby and Stan Lee; an artificial hiearchy.

I think the reverence to the work Jack and Stan did as the foundation of the MU is actually a big plus, in contrast to DC. That bedrock foundation keeps marvel from needing to be rebooted every 5 years.

[kilderkin]

Yes Surfer can. And probably would have if her were around and the X-Men asked.

Correct, it would have been much easier for the surfer

[kilderkin]

no one remembers or cares that he did it. Magneto's threat is ongoing. that's what i dislike most about Doom. he's all feats and image. Marvel sees him as the top of the heap. so they give him something impressive to do to justify that collective belief. but it's always a fleeting victory. and, because he needs to maintain his rep, he's often the cause of his own defeat. that's why he has no impact. we know that Doom doesn't even want Doom's goal. Magneto sure as **** wants mutants to supplant humanity. he is obsessed with the idea that humans are coming for he and his. so he has decided to get them first. and he actively kills people who get in the way of these goals. to put it in real world terms, Doom is the boogeyman of islamic terrorism. Magneto is the ongoing gang violence in the northern and southern america that is mostly ignored.

In all honesty I find it difficult to believe that no one cares, hes the one villain from earth that the heroes speak of like a bogeyman

Magneto, for all his power, just doesn't have that level of fear from them

Doom is much more than just the power hecwrilds, not intelligence, science and magic, he is the threat of a villain who absolutely believes he can and will win against you

No one else from earth has that level of threat

[kilderkin]

Each time Doom became the most powerful being in the universe it took detailed planning, other people/character involvement, and several resources available to him at the ready.

Magneto just has to think really hard at something and the whole earth would be screwed. He wouldn't even need to focus on Earth's Magnetic field. He could simply just concentrate on a near by Astroid directed towards the earth at high speeds and the end. All of which would/could be done in moments.

Dooms the better villain but Magneto is more of a threat.

Yes it did take those things

Which is why he's so threatening

Because he's always doing them

For all his power and what he might do, Magneto hasnt, dooms been the universe (if not more) most powerful being

No other earth villain even compares

[JudicatorPrime]

Doom will always be written like the most dangerous threat in the room. That's Marvel's shtick. It's really not worth debating.

[Michael Watkins]

I think the reverence to the work Jack and Stan did as the foundation of the MU is actually a big plus, in contrast to DC. That bedrock foundation keeps marvel from needing to be rebooted every 5 years.

It keeps them from adapting and investing in other characters. It’s also lazy.

[Michael Watkins]

Doom will always be written like the most dangerous threat in the room. That's Marvel's shtick. It's really not worth debating.

He wasn’t written that way during Dark Reign. Would you like to debate it?