Dude just stop, who are you to tell someone that they should like Zack Snyder's take on superheroes. Many of us dont.
You talk about strawmen but you cant see the irony here. You and certain others like him that's cool but others like myself dont and we dont need to be reminded every 5 seconds that he's some intellectual visionary who really understands superheroes but because of Whedon,Goyer, Paramount, WB, Disney, paid critics, Tsujihara, fans like myself and pretty much everyone but his own fanbase has a vendetta against him. He was given multiple chances and he got worse with each.
So more of that Superman scene has leaked via video and images...
Low quality camrip but if you're interested:
"He said you'd come... now let's hope you're not too late."
Haven't found a vid of the other leak yet which is Clark putting the suit on in a callback to MoS.
Last edited by Hilden B. Lade; 02-12-2018 at 11:02 PM.
When did I say anyone should like his take? I called out the reasons for it and argued against them. I also called out specifically a comment that was in response to an out of context description of a script that hadn't apparently been put into film yet people felt the need to criticise it. If you've got a problem with your opinions being disputed maybe stay off the net. I'm certainly not trying to dictate what does or doesn't count as a take on superheroes nor am I discussing the critics, Whedon or whoever else. Try taking your own advice for once.
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Static would be fun if they are allowed to make a solo movie for him but Vixen is the best choice.
I like Icon but he’s far too similar to Superman and they already have another Superman doppelgänger in Captain Marvel/Shazam on the way to the big screen.
I think Static is the only other black superhero who could generate a fraction of the excitement that Black Panther has right now.
I think Zack Snyder was trying to make high quality adult/serious interpretations of these heroes, my issue is outside of MoS (and even that had its issues) he did not succeed.
I don't think anybody thinks that tons of humor and light heartedness is the only way to adapt these characters.
Very well met! I hadn't heard some of those figures, especially regarding JL's drops. It seemed like the story with its box office started and ended with the first week's BO. So it's nice to see that there was a bit more of a silver lining (financially) than had been discussed.
In terms of critical reception, it's very possible (if not likely) that Snyder's cut would've been received worse than the version we got, but the nature of the transition and how they handled the film afterward seemed to color perceptions of it prior to release. It just seems like the film might've had a better chance without all that turmoil and baggage going into it, regardless of the quality of the final product. Of course, we'll never know which one was better unless they actually release a Snyder cut down the line, which is looking less and less likely, and we'll never know how a Synder cut would've done theatrically.
Again, I say that as a guy who really enjoyed Justice League.
See, why couldn't they have left that in the movie? It's not like it was that long a clip, and it was nice to see Supes and Alfred meet.
Still holding out hope thet they'll eventually release some sort of extended edition (not a Synder cut necessarily, just extended) that integrates some of these nice moments that got hacked out.
What can I say but, "I love comics."
Political debates about the existence of superheroes and vigilantes are adult. Depictions of tragedy, trauma, and paranoia are adult. Questions of identity and isolation from Humanity are adult. Emotional responses to death are adult.
Snyder “gets” the broad range of interpretations that we’ve seen in countless celebrated works. These aren’t one dimensional characters. He fleshed them out with character choices wholly consistent with many iconic works.
I get was Snyder did with his DC movies in terms of deconstruction and having Superman's symbolic status being earned and not given (shown by the transition of darkness to light seen across his three films), but the problem with using that derivation for the basis of a movie universe is that his version is the only version of these characters (theatrically speaking).
So people who don't like that take are, essentially, left out in the cold, which is why a lot of these characters are distilled to their purest form (when done well, anyway) when put on the big screen: it gives everyone the type of character they're used to, regardless of the actual character specifics. I'm wholly of the opinion that this universe would've been a lot better received had it been an Elseworlds GN or some other, clearly alternate universe instead of the universe.
Hopefully that comes across clearly...
EDIT: Put another way, Injustice is well-received because there are other, more traditional Superman comics out there. If Injustice was the only Superman comic available, people would be having a sh!t hemorrhage.
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What can I say but, "I love comics."
I think it was a missed opportunity to have Cyborg instead of John Stewart as the black superhero on the group. If they had gone the Timm-verse route and had the John Stewart iteration of Green Lantern be a founding member of the Justice League then they could use JL as the possible springboard for the solo Green Lantern film. Making Cyborg a founding member of the Justice League was a mistake since that Cyborg film will likely never happen(okay, DC might fast-track it after BP's inevitable success since they're so reactive) but still I argue they'd be better off going with Stewart.
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