I would have rather not miss 14 years of good and bad takes of Jean for one "good" take on her.
That was the biggest consecuence of this run, also that Jean has to be best friends with a woman that has only caused her pain.
I would have rather not miss 14 years of good and bad takes of Jean for one "good" take on her.
That was the biggest consecuence of this run, also that Jean has to be best friends with a woman that has only caused her pain.
I loved all of Morrison's run, but then I was a HUGE "Invisibles" fan and loved that he continued certain themes over in X-Men.
Actually no, most people hate feeling betrayed or their ship losing, that's why people hate or care little for any of the relationships involved. Nobody actually had to deal with that drama until today that the characters are finally alive on the same place. It is a problem everybody prefered to ignore for decades and it looks like Marvel itself prefers to ignore the drama and just pretend things are in a certain way even if they aren't and keep dragging everybody down.
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The take wasn't that good to be worth. Jean didn't come out with lots of new fans because of Morrison.
victims have to accept their abusers and people don't see it because they like Emma a lot more than understand Jean feelings. All those 14 years they were cheerishing Emma and Scott stories
Heh, people actually think that Morrison was behind Jean's death?
Hmmm. That's quite interesting.
In the context of the numerous "unhappy and dissatisfied " posts here in CBR (not only the ones pertaining to Jean) this makes it all so very clear.
While characters are written to "be able to let things go and move on" because it drives the story and develops the characters forward, some readers just aren't as emotionally equipped to do so.
That a great deal of the angst stems from the notion that favourite characters have moved on and left their readers behind when...given the medium, it's usually vice versa where readers tend to outgrow their faves/the medium.
Lord Ewing *Praise His name! Uplift Him in song!* Your divine works will be remembered and glorified in worship for all eternity. Amen!
There was constant delays, Jimenez and Igor Kordey had to dray issues in two weeks. It wasn't written ahead.
Jemas was out in october 2003, so he had zero to do with the end of Morrison run.
Quesada took a long time to get Whedon to write comics becaus e of his TV deals.
why not? he had total freedom and never spoke against it
I love, and will always enjoy Jean and Scott's relationship, but I'm not a big shipper, so what was done with them didn't really detract what else he manged to achieve. Yes, it's still a big talking point today, and get's people in their feelings, but I don't think that should eclipse what else he did for Jean. He manged to give a really nuanced Jean, and that's something a lot of writers struggle to achieve, not just for her, but most characters IMO.
Rarely is any single comic issues as poignant, but also as fundamentally reshaping for a character as New X-Men 132 was for Lorna and her story. Dealing with the death of 16 million people who were under her protection and seeing them die in her mind for weeks and the fallout was the most compelling storyline she had without a doubt and it gave the character a vitally important anchor. Post Decimation her storyline fell into a muddle and future writers were confused about what the character believed and represented and fell back on nostalgia for decades old characterizations and themes.
Her storyline really felt it had real cohesion from 2002-2005 then it lost it after when they fell back on old crappy mind control pathos and love triangles. Hickman was the first writer to even hint at these themes again for the character and hopefully her next set of writers pick up on what works for the character.
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Lord Ewing *Praise His name! Uplift Him in song!* Your divine works will be remembered and glorified in worship for all eternity. Amen!
The delays were due to art, Quitely is known for doing four pages a month. Marvel admitted as much in the letters page of issue 119. The lateness was nothing to do with scripts. If it was - how could Kordey draw it in a week? Also - the last issue to ship late was issue 120 in 2001. The book ran completely on time from 6th January 2002 when the Nuff Said issue shipped.
Indeed the book shipped 14 issues in 2002 after getting back on track.
I'm no calendar expert, but reasonably sure July 2003, when Morrison left (specifically 20th July at the DC panel in SDCC), happened BEFORE October 2003 when Jemas left. Do you even read what people post? Oddly enough - that actually refutes you saying Joe Quesada saying the row didn't happen, because the reported reply from Joe when Morrison made his famous quote was "Forget him! He wont be here much longer anyway!" (Due to Ike Perlmutter getting angry phone calls IIRC)Jemas was out in october 2003, so he had zero to do with the end of Morrison run.
"Let go and move on"? That's a terrible way to deal with abuse and abusers. It should not be on the victim to 'get over it' for the sake of everyone. ESPECIALLY in situations like here, where the abuser faces no consequences whatsoever. Whenever these sorts of relationships appear in X comics, why is it always the victim who has to forgive the abuser? The monstrous characters never need to make amends and rarely even apologize.
We never saw them hashing things out. The writers created this nasty, messy emotional situation and then didn't have to guts to conclude things in a meaningful way. Off-panel 'they made up' stories are the worst ways to end things.
I am not saying Hickman was wrong by making her a mutant and yes she had a long time being dead before he brought her back, it`s just that deep relationships between X-men and baseline humans are quite rare, even more so ones with both Charles and Magneto where both of them respected her in her own right because she was quite good at her job but this doesn`t I don`t like or don`t enjoy Moira X in fact I am waiting to see a little more of her in Dawn of X.
"To the X-men then, who donīt die the old fashioned way and no matter how hard we try, none of us die forever" Uncanny X-Men #270, Jean and Ororo
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