X of Swords: Creation #1 Spoiler Thread: "That is not a nice woman"

[Gigantor]

If existing Marvel lore was an issue, you’d need to account for how the hell Poccy having Four Horsemen and the use of magic prior to his pact with the Celestials (who just happen to have Seeds matching his kids mantles*) works out

Besides, we already know what/who Hickman’s reset button is (and it ain’t Moira) so setting up a Twilight of X seems premature when there is yet to be a Day/Reign of X (probably to follow Hickman’s contribution to the Reckoning War) before the Twilight/Night of X

* though it explains why he never used the counterseeds at least

But it would be fun to have surtur show up! Remember fun? This is the big X-men crossover and the big bad is apocalypses wife. Cmon! I have annoyed about this this storyline started. They need the X-men to fight some large scale marvel villains like kang or ultron. The closest they got to that was dr doom and he was wasted. I’m actually looking forward to king in black because I want to see krakoa fight Knull. That sounds fun!

[loke13]

I don't think anyone has brought up the potential problematic situation that Krakoa has the final say. They practically overruled the entire quiet council in favor of Apocalypse. And Krakoa basically reminded them that's they're not a piece of land and that the mutants love there at Krakoa's grace. Kind of a shaky proposition to be reminded of.

[king of hybrids]

A piece of land that like Apocalypse more than it likes the rest of the council.

I’m going to wager that Xavier and Magneto didn’t consider Krakoa a ‘real’ mutant with a say and presumed that being well fed would keep them docile like their grandchild

[Veitha]

Who wants Dr.Doom or Kang or Knull. We'd be reading Avengers if we were looking for these kind of villains.

And what is "fun" for someone is obviously not objectively fun for everyone else.

[Thievery]

Interesting how Havok was allowed to go on this mission given how he is on probation and locked down with the Hellions

Havok being allowed to go on this mission also struck me as being odd. It also seemed a little strange that Havok went from being obsessed with Maddie Pryor to wanting to get back with Lorna right away. At least it read to me as if Alex was interested in Lorna again. Maybe I misread those panels.

I thought that the issue was pretty good.

Monet, Polaris, and Apocalypse were the best characters in my opinion.

It was nice to see Archangel finally talk to Apocalypse.

I have found the ethically dubious and morally irresponsible version of Beast to be entertaining to read about, but it was kind of nice to see Beast written in a story as something other than a morally irresponsible *******.

Siryn didn't really do a lot in this story. I hope that she doesn't get infected by that Pestilence arrow and die, and that will be her only contribution to this story. She kind of felt tacked on in this story, the way that Archangel and Husk were when they immediately died during the Orchis assault mission. I hope that she wasn't a red shirt.

The art was great.

[Sutekh]

No idea if this has been mentioned already, but seeing Cable and Rachel interact, and treat each other almost like siblings, was interesting.

But seeing them refer to Jean and Scott as 'mom' and 'dad,' that felt odd, and, IMO, not organic-to-the-characters. (Granted, I know literally nothing about 'Kid Cable,' so maybe this is totally in-character for him. But Rachel calling Jean 'mom?' Just kind of surreal, to me. I think she's at the point where calling Scott 'dad' half-affectionately and half-sarcastically, but she and Jean have had less bonding time, it seems, between Jean being dead at times, and Rachel mysteriously off-panel much of the time since Jean's return.)

Apocalypse HAS changed, his ideals have evolved as we saw with melody what he considers "the fittest" isnt the same anymore, he has more focus on community and what krakoa represents, he has evolved and understood the error of his ways.

Now his children return, and it's his own old ideology that makes them stab him in the gut, that's heartbreaking but also probably enlightning, his new way finally got him a way to meet his family once more, but his old philosophy drove them into what they are now.

That's kinda what I was thinking there. He sees himself as having evolved past that old philosophy, and now, as Warren foreshadowed about regrets and sins coming home to roost, his old way of thinking is biting him in the ass, hard. He was so so sure of himself, and he passed that on to his kids, who are just as unforgiving as he would have been, back in the day, to someone who abandoned their rigid view of might-makes-right.

The foreshadowing from Warren just hangs the lampshade for all to see. He might as well have been narrating the deeper meaning of that upcoming betrayal.

[Thundershot]

Speaking of Poxy’s kids.... where’s Holocaust in all this? Or whatever he was called in 616? Did he ever find out that he was his kid?

[Tenebrae]

Speaking of Poxy’s kids.... where’s Holocaust in all this? Or whatever he was called in 616? Did he ever find out that he was his kid?

I think he's still in evil Hyperions nasal cavity.

[loke13]

No idea if this has been mentioned already, but seeing Cable and Rachel interact, and treat each other almost like siblings, was interesting.

But seeing them refer to Jean and Scott as 'mom' and 'dad,' that felt odd, and, IMO, not organic-to-the-characters. (Granted, I know literally nothing about 'Kid Cable,' so maybe this is totally in-character for him. But Rachel calling Jean 'mom?' Just kind of surreal, to me. I think she's at the point where calling Scott 'dad' half-affectionately and half-sarcastically, but she and Jean have had less bonding time, it seems, between Jean being dead at times, and Rachel mysteriously off-panel much of the time since Jean's return.)



That's kinda what I was thinking there. He sees himself as having evolved past that old philosophy, and now, as Warren foreshadowed about regrets and sins coming home to roost, his old way of thinking is biting him in the ass, hard. He was so so sure of himself, and he passed that on to his kids, who are just as unforgiving as he would have been, back in the day, to someone who abandoned their rigid view of might-makes-right.

The foreshadowing from Warren just hangs the lampshade for all to see. He might as well have been narrating the deeper meaning of that upcoming betrayal.

Jean and Scott spent 10 years raising young Cable so yeah those are good parents. As for Rachel calling Jean mom...well Hickman has decided to retcon Jean and Rachel as having a more mother-daughter bond that previous writers.

I'd rather just chalk it up to the fact that Jean and Rachel had a very long conversation about their feeling and thanks to Krakoa they're giving their relationship a second chance.

We already saw hints of this during the Xmen Red annual.

[Thundershot]

I think he's still in evil Hyperions nasal cavity.

That was the AOA one. There was a 616 version of him, too, but he wasn’t nearly as prominent as the AOA one.

[Ferro]

No idea if this has been mentioned already, but seeing Cable and Rachel interact, and treat each other almost like siblings, was interesting.

But seeing them refer to Jean and Scott as 'mom' and 'dad,' that felt odd, and, IMO, not organic-to-the-characters. (Granted, I know literally nothing about 'Kid Cable,' so maybe this is totally in-character for him. But Rachel calling Jean 'mom?' Just kind of surreal, to me. I think she's at the point where calling Scott 'dad' half-affectionately and half-sarcastically, but she and Jean have had less bonding time, it seems, between Jean being dead at times, and Rachel mysteriously off-panel much of the time since Jean's return.)



That's kinda what I was thinking there. He sees himself as having evolved past that old philosophy, and now, as Warren foreshadowed about regrets and sins coming home to roost, his old way of thinking is biting him in the ass, hard. He was so so sure of himself, and he passed that on to his kids, who are just as unforgiving as he would have been, back in the day, to someone who abandoned their rigid view of might-makes-right.

The foreshadowing from Warren just hangs the lampshade for all to see. He might as well have been narrating the deeper meaning of that upcoming betrayal.

Yup yup, wich to me is another step in the journey of evolution apocalypse has been into since hoxpox, I genuinly love THIS apocalypse

[BroHomo]

That was the AOA one. There was a 616 version of him, too, but he wasn’t nearly as prominent as the AOA one.

Archangel's kids....the Apocalypse twins killed him

[Bgardner]

They have to eventually go talk to Moira about this? We know she and apocalypse “rescued” the original horsemen in her 9th life. I believe it was earlier in the timeline so maybe it was before arrako fell and it played out differently? I’d assume though that they’d have still tried to get Arrako back and there was no mention of genesis or anything so there’s definitly a story. Also shouldn’t chuck not be too suprised about this after Moira opened her mind to him?

[Gigantor]

They have to eventually go talk to Moira about this? We know she and apocalypse “rescued” the original horsemen in her 9th life. I believe it was earlier in the timeline so maybe it was before arrako fell and it played out differently? I’d assume though that they’d have still tried to get Arrako back and there was no mention of genesis or anything so there’s definitly a story. Also shouldn’t chuck not be too suprised about this after Moira opened her mind to him?

It’s implied in the hox notes that Charles has erased most of his own memories at this point over three separate reboots and honestly does not remember much of what Moira showed him. Same with magneto, they are both running blind because Moira doesn’t want them to have all the information. There is more she is hiding

[Havok83]

No idea if this has been mentioned already, but seeing Cable and Rachel interact, and treat each other almost like siblings, was interesting.

But seeing them refer to Jean and Scott as 'mom' and 'dad,' that felt odd, and, IMO, not organic-to-the-characters. (Granted, I know literally nothing about 'Kid Cable,' so maybe this is totally in-character for him. But Rachel calling Jean 'mom?' Just kind of surreal, to me. I think she's at the point where calling Scott 'dad' half-affectionately and half-sarcastically, but she and Jean have had less bonding time, it seems, between Jean being dead at times, and Rachel mysteriously off-panel much of the time since Jean's return.)

Thats not true. Rachel has always referred to Jean as mom, both affectionally and sarcastically. Thats been part of her problem as she's expected more out of Jean, than their actual relationship would suggest. With that said since Jean returned during ResureXion, they've had time to actual get closer so them living together has helped their relationship

Jean and Scott spent 10 years raising young Cable so yeah those are good parents. As for Rachel calling Jean mom...well Hickman has decided to retcon Jean and Rachel as having a more mother-daughter bond that previous writers.

I'd rather just chalk it up to the fact that Jean and Rachel had a very long conversation about their feeling and thanks to Krakoa they're giving their relationship a second chance.

We already saw hints of this during the Xmen Red annual.

Hickman hasnt retconned anything. This is character development; nothing about their past has changed. He hasnt even done much besides have them living together as we've still yet to have them interact on panel

Havok being allowed to go on this mission also struck me as being odd. It also seemed a little strange that Havok went from being obsessed with Maddie Pryor to wanting to get back with Lorna right away. At least it read to me as if Alex was interested in Lorna again. Maybe I misread those panels.
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I didnt get the impression that Alex was trying to date Lorna at all. EVEN if he was, he's not obsessed over Maddie. Maddie used her TP and magic on him in Hellions so its obvious tht at least part of his feelings towards her were manipulation