Marvel Super Hero Squad Online -- Ground Zero

[CenturianSpy]

What about A HANUKKAH SIDEKICK??

Also I wish hero up made Secret Avengers moon knight this week. Hanukkah is December 16-24 and moon knight is one of my favorite jewish heroes

At least acknowledge hanukkah hero up...

Here's mine:

[millsfan]

Here's mine:

That is a cool list.

Ya know, They should really have some Hanukkah decor also in the Daily Bugle. There really isn't 1 Jewish staff at Gazillion?

[Astral Von Nader]

That is a cool list.

Ya know, They should really have some Hanukkah decor also in the Daily Bugle. There really isn't 1 Jewish staff at Gazillion?

If they do Hanukkah, then they need to do EVERY SINGLE OTHER RELIGIOUS HOLIDAY IN EXISTENCE. Starting from: Kwanzaa, Festivus, Advent Calender, Easter, Rosh Hashanah, Ramadan, Lent, Pentecost, Palm Sunday, Ash Wednesday and more that I could list. So once they start looking at one, then people want another, another another. Eventually leading up to backlog of heroes JUST for holidays and thus it eliminates all other possible characters.

[Maven]

If they do Hanukkah, then they need to do EVERY SINGLE OTHER RELIGIOUS HOLIDAY IN EXISTENCE. Starting from: Kwanzaa, Festivus, Advent Calender, Easter, Rosh Hashanah, Ramadan, Lent, Pentecost, Palm Sunday, Ash Wednesday and more that I could list. So once they start looking at one, then people want another, another another. Eventually leading up to backlog of heroes JUST for holidays and thus it eliminates all other possible characters.

Ok, I'm sorry to be 'that person', but Festivus is not and shouldn't be considered a 'religious' holiday. Festivus was 'invented' on a Seinfeld episode, and came to take on a life of its own through a witch's brew of the sitcom's uber-fanbase and all of the anti-holiday/religion wiseacres proceeding to 'adopt' Festivus as their own holiday of sorts.

And before anyone throws any 'fuddy-dud/nitpicker' rotten veggies at me, I do acknowledge December 23rd/Christmas Eve 'Eve' if you will as Festivus because it's fun and I like showing off my trivia, TV/entertainment AND general, nerdiness like that.

[CenturianSpy]

Festivus

The game already has "Festivus". Feats of strength in Asgard by lifting various boulders, airing of grievances- here & their FB page...now we just need a pole.

As a Jew, I do want more Jewish content...and for the Holiday, I think Gaz could throw in a Menorah in/on the window in the Baxter building with a strand of blue & white lights. Ben Grimm would want it that way.

[censorship]

A Jew wouldn't celebrate Christmas and Chanukah themes together, though. Chanukah comes from The Maccabees, which is a war story, not scripture. It's celebrating the right to be a Jew and nothing else, because that's what they fought for and were willing to die for. We like to think of the menorah as a religious symbol, but historically it isn't. It's a symbol of ethnic pride.

We're all desensitized to Christmas commercialism, so we see candy canes and Santa and think, whatever. But there's no real commercial pressure directly put on Chanukah, so it's up to each family to determine how and even if they'll celebrate it. Throwing a menorah or dreidels into the mix isn't good for two reasons. First, people who don't understand Chanukah might misrepresent it to their children. Secondly, a Jewish child seeing it presented in a certain way might begin to wonder if his family is doing it "wrong." But there are probably more customs than there are correct names for the holiday - it really depends on how each family defined their traditions after World War II. I don't see it as a lack of inclusion. I see it as extending Jewish families the courtesy of not defining their holiday, or their religion as a whole, through symbols alone.


But as far as the actual theme, I'll settle for them fixing the star machines on the next update. They don't respawn normally, if at all. And those singers in Daily Bugle? Please mute one set. Three years now of them not singing together and it sounds silly every single time.

And maybe they'll fix XF Wolverine's dancing claws, too.

[Maven]

As a Jew, I do want more Jewish content...and for the Holiday, I think Gaz could throw in a Menorah in/on the window in the Baxter building with a strand of blue & white lights. Ben Grimm would want it that way.

As someone who too is for more such diversity, amen.



(As done by Jack Kirby for some Happy Hannukah cards he sent out circa mid-70's.)

[Lousy]

FYI, most online games that get update periodically typically only celebrate the 5 'Big' Holidays.

Valentine's Day, Saint Patrick's Day, Halloween, Thanksgiving, and Christmas. Granted, SHSO doesn't really celebrate Valentines Day, Saint Patrick's Day or even Thanksgiving.

Games only celebrate other holidays if it is heavily influenced by the certain culture that the holiday is for. SHSO is not heavily influenced by Jewish tradition (no offense).

Also, when people think about the holidays, what's the ONE holiday people think about first. That's right. Christmas. Just accept that the fact they're celebrating. It's not the end of the world if they don't celebrate Hanukkah. Very few MMO games even celebrate Hanukkah.

In the end, It's always the Big 5, always.

[Irritating Hurricane Ferret]

So guys I just wanted you to know I haven't been on the well side.

I have been having high blood pressure and fast heart beats so I will not be as active as I usually am. See you guys soon

[CenturianSpy]

A Jew wouldn't celebrate Christmas and Chanukah themes together, though.

I know of no Orthodox or Reformist who would agree with this statement. Also, there are hundreds of thousands Messianic Jews who combine the themes every year. And for those of us from a two religions household, you're statement is inaccurate. In my community there are several Temples/families that invite Protestant and Catholic ministers/clergy to our Seders, nor would we refuse an offer to a Christmas party. I have a tree in my house and my girlfriend will go eat Chinese food with me on the 25th.

Chanukah comes from The Maccabees, which is a war story, not scripture. It's celebrating the right to be a Jew and nothing else, because that's what they fought for and were willing to die for. We like to think of the menorah as a religious symbol, but historically it isn't. It's a symbol of ethnic pride.

What makes the Menorah a religious symbol is we use as a religious symbol. You'd be hard-pressed to not find one in a Synogague, Temple, or Jewish home AND yes, we are proud of the Menorah and what it represents. It does not represent the "right to be a Jew", nor is Hanukkah the celebration of that. We're also proud that the US has had a National Menorah for almost 4 decades. Hanukkah is as much a war story as the 4th of July. It's a Festival used to give thanks to G-d for deliverance and the miracle of the single cruse. It's a story of returning to G-d's favor.

We're all desensitized to Christmas commercialism, so we see candy canes and Santa and think, whatever. But there's no real commercial pressure directly put on Chanukah, so it's up to each family to determine how and even if they'll celebrate it. Throwing a menorah or dreidels into the mix isn't good for two reasons. First, people who don't understand Chanukah might misrepresent it to their children. Secondly, a Jewish child seeing it presented in a certain way might begin to wonder if his family is doing it "wrong." But there are probably more customs than there are correct names for the holiday - it really depends on how each family defined their traditions after World War II. I don't see it as a lack of inclusion. I see it as extending Jewish families the courtesy of not defining their holiday, or their religion as a whole, through symbols alone.

The two reasons you give assume an inability of Jewish people to explain their religion to their children. That's a dangerous line of thought. You may think it's sensitivity, but to me it seems sinister.

[Raven]

The game already has "Festivus". Feats of strength in Asgard by lifting various boulders, airing of grievances- here & their FB page...now we just need a pole.

As a Jew, I do want more Jewish content...and for the Holiday, I think Gaz could throw in a Menorah in/on the window in the Baxter building with a strand of blue & white lights. Ben Grimm would want it that way.

I don't know what the jewish population of the US is, but here in Canada it's next to nothing, there's more muslims, sikhs, buddhists, hindus etc and then atheists out number all of those combined anyway, so I vote for the festivus pole too!

[censorship]

We're also proud that the US has had a National Menorah for almost 4 decades.

The US formed Jewish policy from the mid-20th century onward. It was only a matter of time.

Also, the quote wasn't "right to be a Jew" it was "right to be a Jew and nothing else." The Maccabee ideology was that they would rather die than be anything other than 100% Jewish. The rebellion against the Selucid Empire was to avoid assimilation, and is the primary reason why Chanukah has significance. It's not a major religious holiday, however, because of its historical controversy.

Scholars debate whether or not the Maccabees were extremists. They killed just as fiercely and were perhaps equally as intolerant of others. So most people just like to forget the history and think of it as a gift-giving festival of light. The origins of the holidays is the sinister part. Christians celebrate a rewritten pagan customs and Jews celebrate a bloody civil war that shaped Judaism until World War II*.
(* In that the Maccabees soon became the very thing they claimed they were fighting against)


See, this is why you keep holidays out of games.

[Emperor Wobbly Guardian]

So guys I just wanted you to know I haven't been on the well side.

I have been having high blood pressure and fast heart beats so I will not be as active as I usually am. See you guys soon

Hope you get to feeling better soon.

[millsfan]

The way I think of it is yes, the well known holidays are celebrated but I would say Hanukkah and Christmas are predominant. They could also ya know decorate the other zones for the holidays. Hanukkah in Baxter Plaza

I'm only talking about the holidays in december (not saying hero up should celebrate hanukkah to only have people demand tons of other holidays) Most of the holidays people were talking about aren't common but Hanukkah is relevant in my opinion.

The Daily Bugle zone is a city and city means diversity so "combing" the holidays doesnt even make sense.. there could be a menorah somewhere and a christmas tree somewhere else, doesn't matter.

[CenturianSpy]

The US formed Jewish policy from the mid-20th century onward. It was only a matter of time.

Also, the quote wasn't "right to be a Jew" it was "right to be a Jew and nothing else." The Maccabbee ideology was that they would rather die than be anything other than 100% Jewish. The rebellion against the Selucid Empire was to avoid assimilation, and is the primary reason why Chanukah has significance. It's not a major religious holiday, however, because of its historical controversy.

Scholars debate whether or not the Maccabees were extremists. They killed just as fiercely and were perhaps equally as intolerant of others. So most people just like to forget the history and think of it as a gift-giving festival of light. The origins of the holidays is the sinister part. Christians celebrate a rewritten pagan customs and Jews celebrate a bloody civil war that shaped Judaism until World War II*.
(* In that the Maccabees soon became the very thing they claimed they were fighting against)


See, this is why you keep holidays out of games.

The Seleucid (Syrian) Empire and the Ptolemaic (Egyptian) Kingdom were continuously at war taking turns conquering and occupying the area of Judea. Your word of "assimilation" is quaint. The Jewish religion was under it's second holocaust. Our people were forced to renounce their faith or die. Our Temples were taken over and repurposed for the gods of our conquerors. Any tactic used by the Maccabbees to regain their land, religion, and freedom is fine by me, I'd even allow Enhanced Interrogation Techniques. Hanukkah's "historical controversy" doesn't make it a non-"major holiday", it's a minor Jewish holiday because Jews deem it so.

That being said, most Jews use the proximity of Hanukkah to Christmas (even adopting some of the secular aspects like gift giving) to highlight many aspects of the Jewish faith that are similar to those of other faiths. To a child, who SHSO is made for, all of this is moot. To a Jewish child, this time of year means Hanukkah decorations just as to a Christian child this means Christmas decorations.

Holidays in games seems more problematic for adults who think they know better. Kids just want decorations. As do us kids at heart.