They cater to a wide audience. Why would Fiege have any concerns? Black Panther flirted with a lot of complex subjects and did it better, frankly, than Fox has handled that element of the X-men. (With perhaps the exception of X2) And I didn't even love Black Panther as a movie.
But what you're stating is your opinion and it is so shared by so few it's insignificant.
The MCU absolutely went to different genres and styles. Ragnarok was straight up comedy. Black Panther speaks for itself. Winter Soldier had all sorts of layers to it. Captain America was a period piece. Iron Man 3 tried some pretty funky stuff, even if it wasn't a particularly good movie. I don't know what to call GoTG, but it's clearly a different style.
This criticism is bunk. As others have said, most of the XCU has been the same premise "Here's a shitload of Wolverine, Mystique, Magneto, and Prof. X! *including window dressing like Cyclops and Storm!*" They've also so creatively told the Phoenix story they are declaring a freaking do-over.
Logan was a nice gamble, it really paid off. Thank god for Ryan Reynolds or you'd have almost nothing else to point to.
They are on Netflix called Daredevil,Punisher and Jessica Jones. Big studios rarely take risk if you are looking for creative then smaller properties is always the best bet. Where is the second Logan or The Dark Knight from those studios. What is Dark Phoenix and X-men Apocalypse rated? New Mutants is probably going to be PG 13. The point is Logan and Deadpool are accidents ,beautiful accidents but accident none the less they are result of Fox sucking at making block busters and them going okay lets try something completely different because the other thing didn't work.Every single follow up has been more of a commercial style of movie. If you are looking for Sony,WB or Disney to make creative risky movies you are looking in the wrong place and Fox didn't really want to be in that business for the X-men either.
You are looking for something pushing boundaries try the Boys on Amazon or James Gunn Brightburn,Maybe something from Mark Millar on his Netflix deal. But no big company spending big money is going consistently make risky movies. You are going have wait until the market shifts and general audience gets tired big spectacle movies superhero movies(not really going to happen) then maybe companies are going to be running around looking for something different but we have already seen this people got tired of Dark and gritty movies superhero movies really quick.
I will end with Deadpool 2 was release as PG13 movie and it wasn't accident, It was a test.You can bet money that next Deadpool is going be PG13 and it is not because of Disney but because Venom made more money that it. Why did Venom make more money because children could see Venom. Block Buster superhero movies isn't the genre people go to for creative and risk. Studios are definitely not spending 200 million on a movie and 100 million in marketing to make 600 million dollars.
First of all I don’t think Logan and Deadpool are accidents.
Second the Netflix series are not the MCU and wear the ABC brand name, not Disney.
Third, Venom is a movie that Disney would never release, it made money because Sony allowed creativity, something Disney discourages.
Forth, The Deadpool PG-13 test was a failure
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So your point is now that you need Gore and Blood to make good movies. I'll admit it definetly helps Wolverine cause his Claws not tearing people to pieces in every movie that wasnt Logan looked kinda silly. But the Xmen dont need Gore.
Ok where's The XCUs Winter Solider(Spy Thriller)? Antman(Hesit film)? Dr Strange? Black Panther??( Movie that mixes sci-fi with African culture and had more of a social impact than any of the Xmen movies).
Also the Netflix shows are as much a part of the MCU as Deadpool is the XCU. So if your gonna include Deadpool u have to include netflix/AoS. Regardless your only arguement seems to be that Marvel hasnt done and R rated movie yet. They haven't needed to. There isnt a single MCU moive I've seen yet that I thought wow that needs a R rating. Now Wolvering can definetly benefit from an R rating. But Logan. Wasnt the moive it was because of Donner or Fox. It was because they finaly left a great director and actor alone and let them make the movie they wanted to make. Gambit been a **** show from the jump and I was one of the few people who was game with seeing Tatum take on the role. MCU track record is just better In every way. Feigie also said Disney has not told them they arent allowed to do R rated films and he can if he wants.
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When Zack Snyder said he liked Watchmen because the characters killed and had sex I thought the same thing. It misses the point to what is truly dark and mature. Best example I can give is the movie Happiness where the pedophile father talks about molesting his sons friends with his son. It's dark, disturbing, and uncomfortable to watch it also has no nudity, blood, swearing, gore, or violence just a conversation and it's one of the most horrific things I ever watched.
As for gay MCU characters Marvel films could use some but the MCU has already added Jeri Hogarth on Netflix and Nico and Karolina on the Runaways all under the Disney MCU banner.
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First, my point is XCU was not under the Disney restrictions, so they were allowed be more creative.
Second, I’ll give you this, XCU is too white and too male.
Third, MCU don’t want to have anything to do with the Netflix series, they don’t even recognise their existence.
Third, I wouldn’t call TWS a spy triller
Forth, Ant Man is much more a origin film than a heist
Fifth, Gambit, who knows
Sixth, Disney never and never will release a R rated movie under the Disney brand name
Last edited by Raiders; 01-10-2019 at 10:32 PM.
Where is the MCU’s X3? Or Wolverine Origins? You know, movies so awful they literally had to retcon and do over their own properties?
Yes, the MCU does not have a Logan. It also doesn’t have continuity issues so daunting some guy on a forum has to create a time travel theory about Sebastian freaking Shaw to explain it. The XCU hasn’t been more creative, but that’s an opinion. Here’s a fact though: the MCU has a fraction of the crap heap of botched stories, characters, and continuity.
That’s my first and foremost dream: a series of X-men movies not in constant need of bandaids for awful short term thinking.