At least in the case of Dr Light, they didn't need to mindwipe him to protect their identities. He only knew who Sue was because her husband's secret identity was a matter of public record. They also weren't protecting their identities when they mindwiped Catwoman to make her more heroic so as to help her relationship with Batman and there was no justification for mindwiping Batman.
I think that's a false take—worse, I think it's a dangerous and damaging take. Because Diana can and should be relatable. However, writers need to show and handle that in different ways than mere relatability by identification: i.e. stop being lazy.
The movie handled this excellently, partly through excellent body language acting from Gal Gadot, and by Wonder Woman listen to and reach out to Steve's companions. That's the key. You might not relate to a "ten-foot-tall supermodel action superhero goddess", but she will by all that is holy attempt to relate to the people around her.
Tynion did it JLD #6 by having Diana pouring her heart out to Detective Chimp, and then asking him to trust himself, just as she trusts him. Wilson had her console, protect, encourage, and bring joy to the two kids in WW #61. Orlando spent the entire WW #51 with Diana and Mayfly just talking and becoming friends, and it was hailed as a superior issue. Even King managed it in Batman #40 with the discussion about Jumpa, once he got the "Diana as temptress" plotline out of his system.
"It's too bad she won't live! But then again, who does? - Gaff Blade Runner
"In a short time, this will be a long time ago." - Werner Slow West
"One of the biggest problems in the industry is apathy right now." - Dan Didio Co-Publisher of I Wonder Why That Is Comics
OR younger sister, depending on what age Jon will be when bendis stops bendissing.
I like that all the Super family have unique powers
Superman-basic kryptonain powerset
Kara- after being bombarded by solar energy for 30 years in her shuttle, he normal level of power is equal to supermans, even though she is a teenager.
Karen- the kryptonain normal powerset
Jon- normal kryptonain powerset, but with ability to Amp up with emotional state,and he has control over his solar flares
SB- physically stuck as a teen, physically a teen kryptonain with super hearing and heat vision, but with TTK to round out his powers(Amp physical, senses, flight, extras) to make him equal to any kryptonain
Cir-el- teen kryptonain with control of red sun energy
All cool and different
(BTW I made up most of those on what I want them to be)
I wouldn't mind wonder woman not flying, works for her in the movies
Black lightning and vixen should be mainstay JLers, not vic, he should be with his friends in the Titans
On an earlier point, an Earth where the heroes age out would be fine by me. (Wasn't that Earth 2 before COIE?)
Them being more recent doesn't automatically equate to the concepts either being better or worse. It's also a given that they are more progressive, but it's also a given that fans who like or prefer the older eras can recognize that not everything there is worth carrying over (especially the further back you go into the Golden age). But it's ultimately fan x's nostalgia vs. fan y's nostalgia.
The supposed Silver/Bronze age obsession on DC's part never really holds up. Today's comics don't resemble the Bronze age comics in craft or content, so if they are desperate to return to that era, they have a funny way of showing it. Dick's generation wouldn't be getting the shaft, because they are the Bronze age all stars, not the Young Justice crew or Damian's generation. The big name characters who were around throughout that era continue to resemble their selves from the 2000s instead of the Bronze age.
I think all fictional characters need to be relatable and/or charismatic and charming in some way. It's why we like them or want to be like them, or fear them. Even villains need clear motivations for what they do, otherwise we criticize them for being one-dimensional or boring.
Diana may be too perfect, but she can be relatable by the way she feels and her ideals and the way she cares for others.
I feel like I don't need to say this, since we all know it already, but DC and Marvel are in a position now where they can't really create anything new. They can only create the illusion of new.
I suppose some things slip through. For example, Harley Quinn, but she was created for BATMAN: THE ANIMATED SERIES by Paul Dini and Bruce Timm. And they probably have a sweet share of the royalties. But for the comics, the publishers don't want to give away the creative rights. And creators don't want to create something for the comics that they could get rich creating on their own.
It must be a strange feeling for writers and artists to see their Batman legacy character or X-Man new mutant take off in popularity and make millions in licensing dollars--when they can only get a taste of the profits, because DC or Marvel own most of the rights.
And what about editors? Since it's usually the editor working behind the scenes to shepherd this new character into publication, yet the editor is working for the corporation, does the editor get to enjoy any dividends?
This is why DC and Marvel are so invested in making their old properties turn a profit--because they usually have all the rights sewn up for those. It must be killing the executives at DC that they have to fork over money to the Siegel family for Superman. I wonder if that extends to characters like Supergirl, that Joe Siegel had nothing to do with--I do see the Siegel family getting a special credit on the SUPERGIRL TV show.
The "new" generation of DC characters is not really very new. Dick Grayson was created a year after Bruce Wayne. Roy Harper debuted at the same time as Oliver Queen. Wally West appeared only three years after Barry Allen. Kara Zor-El existed before Hal Jordan, Ray Palmer, Ralph Dibny or Katar Hol. Garth swam with Aquaman when Rex Mason, Guy Gardner, Kirk Langstrom and Jefferson Pierce were never even an idea at a pitch meeting.
Catwoman is hotter than Harley Quinn. Yes, I said it.
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"It's too bad she won't live! But then again, who does? - Gaff Blade Runner
"In a short time, this will be a long time ago." - Werner Slow West
"One of the biggest problems in the industry is apathy right now." - Dan Didio Co-Publisher of I Wonder Why That Is Comics
Sorry for the late reply, but I was perusing this thread and I agree with this for Batman. Maybe Batman himself can withstand the test of time and keep up with the times forever, but some aspects of his world are part of the 20th century. For example: Harvey Bullock (an archetype of the pulp/hard-boiled detective - he still wears a fedora), the Ventriloquist (you don't see ventriloquists or the mafia around anymore), the Penguin (in his original top-hat + tuxedo + monocle appearance), Thomas and Martha Wayne (they're always depicted in outdated clothing), the Flying Graysons (circuses are becoming less and less popular), Ra's al Ghul (he's inspired by the Fu Manchu archetype) etc. You can keep reinventing these characters to update them and that has worked for a lot of Batman characters but at what point do they become too far removed from the original? I guess what I'm saying is Bullock needs some love too.
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