Black Panther Appreciation 2019

[Cville]

You can argue leaving Wakanda to become an Avenger and a school teacher in Harlem halfway across the planet from the nation he's supposed to be running qualifies as running away from the job.

It can also be argued that since Avengers deal with world ending scenarios, staying protects Wakanda from those threats.

[XPac]

It can also be argued that since Avengers deal with world ending scenarios, staying protects Wakanda from those threats.

A certain portion of the time, sure. Though there are plenty of threats the Avengers deal with which in all likelihood won't effect Wakanda at all. And it's not like he actually needs to leave Wakanda to help the Avengers deal with those threats. And he certainly didn't need to be a school teacher on the side while he was doing it.

Again, if he wanted to spy on them he could have JUST spied on them. If he wanted to help them with big threats which might potentially endanger Wakanda he could have stayed in Wakanda and assisted the Avengers when their conflicts effected Wakandan interests.

But he CLEARLY did far more than just that. You can credibly say it was due to friendship or adventure or science or whatever... what you can't argue credibly is that it was done purely out of a sense of duty for Wakanda, because frankly it comes off as the exact opposite if you really break it down.

[Cville]

A certain portion of the time, sure. Though there are plenty of threats the Avengers deal with which in all likelihood won't effect Wakanda at all. And it's not like he actually needs to leave Wakanda to help the Avengers deal with those threats. And he certainly didn't need to be a school teacher on the side while he was doing it.

Again, if he wanted to spy on them he could have JUST spied on them. If he wanted to help them with big threats which might potentially endanger Wakanda he could have stayed in Wakanda and assisted the Avengers when their conflicts effected Wakandan interests.

But he CLEARLY did far more than just that. You can credibly say it was due to friendship or adventure or science or whatever... what you can't argue credibly is that it was done purely out of a sense of duty for Wakanda, because frankly it comes off as the exact opposite if you really break it down.

"Just" spying is counter productive to spying. A good spy makes the target feel they are not there for spying. Which is more difficult for him because they already know is king of another country. The school teaching may be more designed to fool the U.S. govt. than the Avenger.

[DigiCom]

So, issue #13:

In no particular order, we have:

• spoilers:

  T'Challa ignoring his responsibilities to make a long-distance phone call.

  end of spoilers
• spoilers:

  NuBaku throwing shade on how shitty a king T'Challa is.

  end of spoilers
• spoilers:

  Ororo disagreeing with her fans about being a goddess.

  end of spoilers
• spoilers:

  And Wakanda rising out of its doldrums, not through hard work or scientific research, but because the Fauxrishas are apparently back.

  end of spoilers Even though spoilers:

  they don't appear on panel, or have any appreciable impact, they get the credit, because Reasons™

  end of spoilers

[Cville]

So, issue #13:

In no particular order, we have:

• spoilers:

  T'Challa ignoring his responsibilities to make a long-distance phone call.

  end of spoilers
• spoilers:

  NuBaku throwing shade on how shitty a king T'Challa is.

  end of spoilers
• spoilers:

  Ororo disagreeing with her fans about being a goddess.

  end of spoilers
• spoilers:

  And Wakanda rising out of its doldrums, not through hard work or scientific research, but because the Fauxrishas are apparently back.

  end of spoilers Even though spoilers:

  they don't appear on panel, or have any appreciable impact, they get the credit, because Reasons™

  end of spoilers

M'baku was upset he was using the daytime minutes. He was trying to tell him wait until after 9PM

[XPac]

"Just" spying is counter productive to spying. A good spy makes the target feel they are not there for spying. Which is more difficult for him because they already know is king of another country. The school teaching may be more designed to fool the U.S. govt. than the Avenger.

Sending the ruler of another country to do the spying is also counter productive to spying ... which is why no one does it.

But even if for arguements sake joining the Avengers was the best and only way to spy on the Avengers, point being the spying explanation only works up to a point. Eventually they become his friends, earn his trust, and that reason for leaving Wakanda simply stops working. It becomes less about duty, and more about him simply wanting to stay in the States to be an Avenger with his super hero buddies. The scientist part simply adds to that.

And I'm assuming the US government weren't aware T'Challa was a school teacher in Harlem, otherwise they would have pulled him out of the school.

[Cville]

Sending the ruler of another country to do the spying is also counter productive to spying ... which is why no one does it.

But even if for arguements sake joining the Avengers was the best and only way to spy on the Avengers, point being the spying explanation only works up to a point. Eventually they become his friends, earn his trust, and that reason for leaving Wakanda simply stops working. It becomes less about duty, and more about him simply wanting to stay in the States to be an Avenger with his super hero buddies. The scientist part simply adds to that.

Except he did. And they didn't know.

[XPac]

Accept he did. And they didn't know.

Yes, T'Challa does... but no other world leader does. And you know why? Because it doesn't make freaking sense. WHen you rule a country you have an actual job to go to which frankly should be MORE important.

If the UK's M15 decide they need to spy on Saudi Aradia, they don't send Prime Minister Theresa May. And if she DID go, you can be damned sure plenty of people would have issues with her neglecting her other job to play spy.

The reasons it's not done extend beyond the effectiveness or lack thereof as far as spy tactics go... it's not done because that's simply not what leaders do. Because again, it ultiamtely doesn't make sense. But even if it did somehow someway, the bigger point is T'CHalla himself knew that it wasn't necessary after a certain point. He didn't stay on the Avengers to spy on them out of duty... again, he did it because it's simply what he wanted to do.

[Ezyo1000]

Genuine question so please don’t mistake for shade but... is the fact that you happened to live where a meteor imbued with heavy concentrations of an extremely valuable, technologically revolutionary, highly and multi-purposefully functional alien metal hit not by definition... dumb luck?

Reading the history of BP and what happened when the meteor landed.. no it wasn't dumb luck, with the mutations of the people and the fact that they had to actually figure out how to mine and use the metal and learn it's properties.. Its not as though it could of landed anywhere and anyone else would be just like Wakanda.

It's been made clear time and time again that Wakanda is special because it's Wakanda.. not because of Vibranium

[Cville]

Yes, T'Challa does... but no other world leader does. And you know why? Because it doesn't make freaking sense. WHen you rule a country you have an actual job to go to which frankly should be MORE important.

If the UK's M15 decide they need to spy on Saudi Aradia, they don't send Prime Minister Theresa May. And if she DID go, you can be damned sure plenty of people would have issues with her neglecting her other job to play spy.

The reasons it's not done extend beyond the effectiveness or lack thereof as far as spy tactics go... it's not done because that's simply not what leaders do. Because again, it ultiamtely doesn't make sense. But even if it did somehow someway, the bigger point is T'CHalla himself knew that it wasn't necessary after a certain point. He didn't stay on the Avengers to spy on them out of duty... again, he did it because it's simply what he wanted to do.

Does Saudi Arabia have the premier Super Hero team in the universe? And does she have super powers? If these are true, I'd say it be cool to see a world leader join a hero team to protect the planet that her country is part of.

[Ezyo1000]

I think a lot of people who initially wanted the job ended up NOT wanting it after sitting on the throne for awhile. T'Challa believed his Uncle S'Yan was all too happy to pass the job onto T'Challa. Shuri initially wanted to be Black Panther, but defintely did not want a second run when T'Challa was missing in space. And T'CHalla makes his own thoughts on the matter pretty clear.

S'yan, Shuri, and now T'Challa.... Hmm what do all of them have in common in regards to not wanting to be King/Queen... Oh that's right, all of that was written by Coates... Huh.. it's like... He has his own agenda he is trying to push in regards to the throne and how he potrays the BP cast...

[Huntsman Spider]

I like that cover.

[XPac]

Does Saudi Arabia have the premier Super Hero team in the universe? And does she have super powers? If these are true, I'd say it be cool to see a world leader join a hero team to protect the planet that her country is part of.

If they were still doing their jobs running their perspective countries MAYBE it might be cool sure. But if you're dividing your time between super heroics and teaching students in harlem, then it really stops making sense.

[XPac]

S'yan, Shuri, and now T'Challa.... Hmm what do all of them have in common in regards to not wanting to be King/Queen... Oh that's right, all of that was written by Coates... Huh.. it's like... He has his own agenda he is trying to push in regards to the throne and how he potrays the BP cast...

Even prior to Coates, I think Hickman did a pretty good (or rather bad) job of conveying that Shuri didn't want the job anymore when she basically committed suicide in TRO to give it back to T'Challa.

[Ezyo1000]

Except he did. And they didn't know.

No need to keep going back and forth cville. That fact that people are using something in the 70's, secret identities that were all the rage back then, which Priest retconned into something that made sense, and it's trying to be countered with "yeah but why did he stay so long" when Priest already explained why in regards to defending Coates forced retcon that's meant to completely do away with Tchallas established character and how he rules, in favor of b*tch made tchumpa we saw in full swing this Issue.. Priest, Hudlin, Hickman in the FF, and other writers hell even Coates own inner circle dude in BP wow#6 have proven time and time again that Tchalla is a king, and warrior and hero first. Not some scientist (which since he made that claim he had not done anything scientific of his own, using Doom tech and praising Maximus)

This is fake BP with fake Wakanda and the Orishas who apparently are the key to Wakanda success and if they chose another nation they would be the new Wakanda