I am reading Nightwing actually! Had to pick it up to support Dick returning to normal after Ric. But I had the opposite reaction of you in that I thought the first issue was good while the second was weak. I can see some similarities for sure between where the two are, but Dick already has had a lot of worldbuilding and character development whereas Jon as a solo entity has not. The decompression of Nightwing isn’t really going to work for Jon, a lot of work needs to be done and done quickly.
Here’s a link to the Lois tweet: https://twitter.com/tomtaylormade/st...639517192?s=21
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I’ll say this for Tom Taylor: when he says he cares about Lois, I actually do believe him. He’s just not the type of guy to lie and I give him credit because he was quick to reassure people about her and didn’t get defensive.
Some other writers could learn from him. ::cough::
https://twitter.com/TomTaylorMade/st...66299639517192OF COURSE! Lois Lane is my hero every bit as much as #Superman.
Lois is one of the fiercest, most fearless champions of truth, and Jon is influenced by Lois every bit as much as Clark.
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I'll actually disagree with you a bit on this. Compression has actually been the issue with Jon as of late. Reading issue 2 again was actually the thing that got me to realize what Taylor brings to Jon specifically, and it's something not may other writers bring in this specific way: normal character moments that are as memorable as the biggest action and worldbuilding scenes. Jon just getting a slice of pizza with someone is the sort of thing that needs to be more regularly sprinkled in with him.
Speaking just on his character, Jon's someone who has lived the strangest life possible. He's seen and done so much...but be a little average. Finally slowing down living in his normal time and Earth is his final frontier, and the thing that's loomed over his head because 1) he's gotta finally stop running from being Superman, and 2) he's gotta put up roots somewhere after not feeling like he's had a time or Earth to call home. The mix of the average and the spectacular will be the key imo.
Thanks!Here’s a link to the Lois tweet: https://twitter.com/tomtaylormade/st...639517192?s=21
"Mark my words! This drill will open a hole in the universe. And that hole will become a path for those that follow after us. The dreams of those who have fallen. The hopes of those who will follow. Those two sets of dreams weave together into a double helix, drilling a path towards tomorrow. THAT's Tengen Toppa! THAT'S Gurren Lagann! MY DRILL IS THE DRILL THAT CREATES THE HEAVENS!" - The Digger
We walk on the path to Secher Nbiw. Though hard fought, we walk the Golden Path.
Its not just comics that's been sh*t dude. Literally the media like video games and movies. For some reason we got literally a cardboard cut out in the movies who might be evil. Speaking of evil we also had rise to she sh*try evil Superman theme. And DC killed Superman in 3 different medias all at once.
Hm, you have a point about Jon needing some more normality. But those kind of moments are more impactful if they’re also paired with a sense of momentum, that the story is pushing forward and development is happening. With Jon you essentially have to build a new character from scratch because he hasn’t been built to function on his own as a solo hero. Taylor usually balanced the “normal” “feels” moments with story progression and excitement by murdering people as he did in Injustice, Suicide Squad and DCeased which is why he’s struggled with ongoing stories outside of those murder happy franchises for me anyway.
Oh I know, that’s what I was referring to. The decade as a whole was the worst one for Superman overall in terms of his mass media presence. Comics, tv, film, video games, it was terrible imo if you measure up the quality of it all.
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I think that's an oversimplification, but it's also subjective so that's fine. His Spider-Man is my north star for what he can do when on his game for real. That book was marketed as the small scale Spider-Man book, and it did a bunch of "little guy" normal stuff and juxtaposed it with a pretty out there idea. The wasn't any random killings or anything like that. If he can basically just upscale the feel of his Spider-Man run, I think Jon's in really strong hands.
And I'm not sure how you can really hold Taylor moving plot along via killing characters in SS, DCeased, and Injustice of all things. Those books are literally *just* that based on concept alone. SS *not* doing that for so long was actually an issue.
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"Mark my words! This drill will open a hole in the universe. And that hole will become a path for those that follow after us. The dreams of those who have fallen. The hopes of those who will follow. Those two sets of dreams weave together into a double helix, drilling a path towards tomorrow. THAT's Tengen Toppa! THAT'S Gurren Lagann! MY DRILL IS THE DRILL THAT CREATES THE HEAVENS!" - The Digger
We walk on the path to Secher Nbiw. Though hard fought, we walk the Golden Path.
I actually think you are on to something with the New 52 comparison in the sense of wanting to have their cake and eat it too. It's clear from the asthetic of Jon's costume looking an awful lot like ol Nuperman's suit to him being a "cooler" alternative to the traditional Superman that Warners/DC hasn't let go of that ideal being their preferred Superman,they just found a work around of sorts.
As an aside...its interesting that nearly everyone admittintly including myself assumed that New 52 Superman and all of that was pretty much mostly Dan DiDio ,as was the idea of swapping Clark for Jon and yet he's gone from the company and we are still seeing Jon as Superman in the modern DCU basically being Nuperman reborn. Makes one wonder about the last decade or so in regards to DC. The New 52 and specifically the Superman we got out of it maybe wasn't as much DiDio but Warners wanting a cooler and hipper character to tie to the iconography of that ever present and marketable "S" .
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When it comes to comics,one person's "fan-service" is another persons personal cannon. So by definition it's ALL fan service. Aren't we ALL fans?
SUPERMAN is the greatest fictional character ever created.
Ha, I'm sure I did say it cause I've long believed it. And I get it, we have it good in so many ways but DC & WBs constantly seem to mess things up in such a way that its supremely frustrating. So I don't blame us. But I do think we all can do a little better recognizing some of the good things we do get when we get them. I was really frustrated that the announcement of the CW show was met with more negative than positive - which again I got - but we do have to be one of the only fanbases that would basically complain about our characters getting a primetime hour long show.
I think all that PKJ has been saying about Jon has been summarizing the major things that Taylor will be doing. I do think there is a little bit of a contradiction between how he talked about the split before, because if I remember correctly he said he'd be writing both through the fall event. It seems like now that Taylor will be writing Jon for a few months with Clark in the picture on Earth and then Post-Fall Event the real split happens. They really do seem to be following a loose Invincible outline, but we're getting both stories at the same time.
I admit I even feel a little bad about being pissed about PKJ's run this whole time because had I known Taylor was getting Jon's book after the split I would have taken the plans more in stride.
I also believe him and I don't think that he's not being hyperbolic and Lois will have a substantive and probably pretty substantial role. Like Superlad said, Taylor really excels at the interpersonal quieter character moments to build out the characters. Something Jon and Lois need together. I do think we'll some good stuff out of him particularly in that regard.
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Didio was sort of famous within the industry for being willing to play the heel to take the heat for things that weren't necessarily his idea. But he's also on record as wanting to dissolve the marriage and things like that as far back as Infinite Crisis. If that was WB's main concern, they had an opportunity to push Superman in a "younger" direction with Man of Steel in 2013 and didn't.
But I would not be surprised if they looked at Marvel with the dual Spider-Men and thought that they could do that and diffuse a lot of the issues they had with the New 52 Superman relaunch.
There's for a long time those who have proposed this about superman
Of course opinions vary as do character preferences
But it isn't true
It never has been
If it was he wouldn't still be the major character he is, with multiple books, appearances and featured in multiple media
He also wouldn't still be in publication
And he wouldn't generate these debates if it was
He might not sell the most, but he is without question the most important
The only reason his most recent film appearances haven't been as well received is because they deviated from this
As for Jon, it staggers me that DC think pushing this aged Jon will work when the kid version was do well received,vdi well liked and do well appointed to give more depth and range to his dad's mythos, which was already well appointed
They for some reason think the monitor is enough, without the character,
The fudge of the new 52 clearly disproves this
The reception of BMB run does too, when you compare it to the reception of the previous
They will keep trying to push replacements for all, to some extent Bruce too,
None will stick, at least not in the books
As far as I remember he never confirmed that he'd be writing through the fall. That was an assumption we as fans made based on him saying that he'd be the book for some months building towards the him just working on Action. The most he mentioned was this big summer status quo shift.
And from the sound of things Clark's only going to be on Earth for 4 issues after Son of Kal-El starts. This is because Superman & The Authority's solicitation says that it will end with stuff that spins out into Son of Superman and Action and be the new status quo going forward. And that book is 4 issues long, so that ends right at the start of the fall.
Plus, that's not even getting into the fact that Son of Kal-El may take place after Superman & The Authority and Action, and the two will catch up in the fall.
This *may be* implied because Superman 30 is being told from the perspective of Jon reading his dad's journal to him *after* Clark has already left "for what may be the final time".
"Mark my words! This drill will open a hole in the universe. And that hole will become a path for those that follow after us. The dreams of those who have fallen. The hopes of those who will follow. Those two sets of dreams weave together into a double helix, drilling a path towards tomorrow. THAT's Tengen Toppa! THAT'S Gurren Lagann! MY DRILL IS THE DRILL THAT CREATES THE HEAVENS!" - The Digger
We walk on the path to Secher Nbiw. Though hard fought, we walk the Golden Path.
I can see New Coke, I mean Jon having this series for a year or two and then DC hyping the return of Clark as Superman.