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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveStar View Post
    Of course not. Superman and Wonder Woman relationship and concept is more than just “Superman” and “Wonder Woman” by hero name. It’s Kal/Clark and Diana’s relationship and most of the rip off have exactly that background template.

    Even with the original run, forced conflict be the second creative team was off putting. This, with everything that has come about to screw over the original is most definitely missing the mark.

    The original has natural conflict that has nothing to do with soap opera relationship conflict. Writers are so used to only that when it comes to testing relationships, and “they will, won’t they” trope, they can’t think outside.

    Every other company also thinks about what would interest the wider audience and trying to get new fans. DC is just now trying to play catch up but still can’t let go of nostalgia and outdated concepts. They would rather just give it new paint. [/QUOTE]

    I didn't mind some conflict of arguments as it made it more real and was sometimes a part of their dynamic, but I do agree that the conflict from the second creative team felt forced and maybe even a degree sinister given how everything played out when you look back. Who knows.


    Quote Originally Posted by LoveStar View Post
    Jupiter Legacy is straight up promoted/advertised as “What if Superman and Wonder Woman had kids?” For that alone which is big says a lot.

    Also, there’s Trill League animation coming up with the Superman/Wonder Woman inspired characters having an on/off relationship.
    Well as long as they come up with dynamics that mirror the Superman wonder woman relationship then I'm all for it, instead of looking into DC properties instead which seem to be going nowhere.

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    SuperWonder themed birthday party with SuperWonder special guest cosplayers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveStar View Post
    It’s the “What I ordered vs What I got” or “Expectation vs Reality”
    Exactly, lol

    So a Superman/Wonder Woman title but rip offs instead of Clark and Diana...?
    Nah that definitely misses the point, see below...bold
    Not necessary. With 5G dead, you will not get Yara and Jon inherit the SM/WW roles. It can't be about them.

    Why not just have Clark and Diana but it can be an out of continuity instead of hellbent on the limitations set by canon status quo?
    🤷*♂️

    DC should be leading with the real deal SMWW, not letting other companies take advantage of the concept and on top of that try to force the concept to other characters.
    Maybe DC can be "inspired back" by other companies? 🙃

    Honestly there isn’t an excuse. They are branded together outside with merch.
    Yeah, what's done with merch can be extended elsewhere.

    Quote Originally Posted by LoveStar View Post
    Really doesn’t make any sense. Referring to previous stories, yet the characters’ interactions are so empty. Trying to force this stuff as one history/timeline just isn’t good even worse with cherry-picking causing massive plot holes and contradictions.
    Seems too late to do. One history/timeline would've worked only if DC didn't rebooted multiple times starting with COIE.

    Right now, it looks writers can reference past stories that may not or may happened in some way.

    Quote Originally Posted by ssupes View Post
    Pretty much Lol. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be ending any time soon as well. Though the new future slate maybe one small step in the right direction. That is, depending on what the book is like anyway.
    We'll see what post Future State's DC will bring. 😬

    Thanks for this, it's all making sense given the last four years or so and the lack of official material we've gotten from DC comics. How very spiteful.
    You're welcome. Glad things can get clearer for fans wondering wth happened.

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    "🚀The coolest t-shirts with exclusive prints, you can only find here"

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    “I will never give up my superlove t-shirt💙❤️ In love”

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    "Themed T-shirts for the whole family! "

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    "#couplekit #superman #wonderwoman"

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    "Only at Rocket you will find the line of Superman and Wonder Woman t-shirts with exclusive prints for the whole family! Discover the entire collection and choose your next adventure!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssupes View Post
    I'm kinda hoping they planned it so it could try to mirror the new 52, but then again if it wasn't then that means they had to have recognised how SM/WW can still sell despite them burying their heads in the sand.
    Yeah, but the title is going to be used for someone else.

    Fingers crossed anyway, because i've been burned by DC before and if it's simply a "why would superman date wonder woman when they can be best friends" kind of deal for the book then I just don't have the energy for DC comics anymore.
    I don't expect them start dating in 2 issue? Nor it's something I'm really looking forward. I still don't want to see any indirect reference to the real deal shouldn't never ever be together or such out of place childish nonsense.

    It's amazing how much they've flushed down the toilet since the L&C series. They were supposed to expand Superman's family yet they've shortened it considerably, all for a superson's book that lasted what, a year?
    Exactly. Books like SM/WW that were selling good had to be derailed (heck, the whole SM franchise had to), potentially successful/interesting series like King/Rocafort's Superboy aborted to not conflict with a mini (Jurgens' L&C) that ended up selling in the 10k range. 🙄 I get he had his pitch approved by DC/WB before any of us read an issue of Convergence but still it should've been obvious the losses would've been more than the gains when they were planning to shrunk the whole line to accommodate a new unproved character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Son of Krypton View Post
    "The most iconic in their genres, they are the most powerful couple that ever existed in the comics. They may not be your favorites, you may not even like them, what you can't, is to deny that Superman and Wonder Woman are the greatest superhero and the greatest superheroine of all time!"


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    THIS CAPTION!!!
    Together, Superman and Wonder Woman can make a difference and be a game changer needed. Just need the right stories. I saw a fan, for the second time post on Twitter in response to DC tweet of real social awareness (National Immigration Day) And again to that response, the traction is more than any other on that topic.

    “There needs to be more stories of Superman & Wonder Woman delving into their immigrant/refugee perspectives and explore more of the different cultures of the world. Embracing their uniqueness.”

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    Dc is doing more apparel, especially the recent trend of pajamas and even WW84 Zales line or athletic attire. Of course SMWW is advertised together when it’s character sets. DC needs to take note of the custom apparel as well as more of their own.

    Quote Originally Posted by ssupes View Post
    I didn't mind some conflict of arguments as it made it more real and was sometimes a part of their dynamic, but I do agree that the conflict from the second creative team felt forced and maybe even a degree sinister given how everything played out when you look back. Who knows.
    Well honestly for the second creative team, that’s pretty much all it was to it. Not only was it too hard because both demanded the spotlight and not grasping simple characteristics of especially Diana, but purposely ruining the relationship for the drastic status quo change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveStar View Post
    THIS CAPTION!!!
    Together, Superman and Wonder Woman can make a difference and be a game changer needed. Just need the right stories. I saw a fan, for the second time post on Twitter in response to DC tweet of real social awareness (National Immigration Day) And again to that response, the traction is more than any other on that topic.

    “There needs to be more stories of Superman & Wonder Woman delving into their immigrant/refugee perspectives and explore more of the different cultures of the world. Embracing their uniqueness.”

    https://twitter.com/jairock_94/statu...172951042?s=21
    Wow, 250 likes! I recall his other tweet about SM fighting for social justice ended up even mentioned in an article. Hope it's noticed by DC.

    Dc is doing more apparel, especially the recent trend of pajamas and even WW84 Zales line or athletic attire. Of course SMWW is advertised together when it’s character sets. DC needs to take note of the custom apparel as well as more of their own.


    Well honestly for the second creative team, that’s pretty much all it was to it. Not only was it too hard because both demanded the spotlight and not grasping simple characteristics of especially Diana, but purposely ruining the relationship for the drastic status quo change.
    Gladly Soule decided to leave the book (even if prematurely) and didn't take part to the derail of the book.

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    Well as long as they come up with dynamics that mirror the Superman wonder woman relationship then I'm all for it, instead of looking into DC properties instead which seem to be going nowhere.
    This is honestly a waste. Give the real deal the proper chance instead of giving a watered down version. I’m still not over the solicit description for future state 2 parter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Last Son of Krypton View Post
    Maybe DC can be "inspired back" by other companies? 🙃
    Being reactionary? Nah then it’ll be rushed and half-assed.

    Yeah, what's done with merch can be extended elsewhere.
    So much can be done

    Seems too late to do. One history/timeline would've worked only if DC didn't rebooted multiple times starting with COIE.
    SMH...then what’s the point of a multiverse?

    Right now, it looks writers can reference past stories that may not or may happened in some way.
    Messy..

    Quote Originally Posted by Last Son of Krypton View Post
    Yeah, but the title is going to be used for someone else.
    Doesn’t make sense. As above, not only using the title, but the dynamic of the originals....

    I don't expect them start dating in 2 issue? Nor it's something I'm really looking forward. I still don't want to see any indirect reference to the real deal shouldn't never ever be together or such out of place childish nonsense.
    If that’s the case, why do it at all? They’ve already forcibly screwed the originals’ dynamic anyway. No need for rip offs. It’s not going to change those who still like the dynamic minds either if they still want to force the “what version, status quo” we should accept and love.

    Exactly. Books like SM/WW that were selling good had to be derailed (heck, the whole SM franchise had to), potentially successful/interesting series like King/Rocafort's Superboy aborted to not conflict with a mini (Jurgens' L&C) that ended up selling in the 10k range. 🙄 I get he had his pitch approved by DC/WB before any of us read an issue of Convergence but still it should've been obvious the losses would've been more than the gains when they were planning to shrunk the whole line to accommodate a new unproved character.
    I really don’t understand all this either. Smh... But yet SMWW was forced with false narratives of not selling but everything says otherwise. Now it’s just all so messy and no direction.

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