All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[hyped78]

Representation is not indoctrination.

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. What you wrote is a very sweeping statement.

Take a look at this, for example, math textbooks that were rejected last year in Florida for public schools:

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/22/u...les/index.html

Under the guise of representation, these specific math books actually stated that older people and conservatives are more likely to be racists.

[Gray Lensman]

The Strongest Evidence Yet That an Animal Started the Pandemic



This deals a serious blow to the Department of Energy's credibility in questions concerning virology and epidemiology.

Keep in mind that the DOE assessment was tagged as low confidence, and likely hindered by China's government restrictions whose purpose was primarily to prevent anything potentially embarrassing to China.

A lot of people jumped on that report, but the report outed itself as being questionable from the start. Something that didn't get a whole lot of mention by most news media.

[CaptainEurope]

Trump just truthed out that he will be arrested on Tuesday, he is once again calling for violence.

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[Spike-X]

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. What you wrote is a very sweeping statement.

Take a look at this, for example, math textbooks that were rejected last year in Florida for public schools:

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/22/u...les/index.html

Under the guise of representation, these specific math books actually stated that older people and conservatives are more likely to be racists.

Yes, they stated a fact. And...?

[Tendrin]

Prosecutors have revealed that convicted Capitol rioter Larry Brock concocted a bloodthirsty plan to seize power on January 6th, 2021 that involved taking hostages, arresting journalists, and cutting off food and water to cities where Democratic voters lived.

Such patriotism.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...02f09da7&ei=19

[aja_christopher]

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. What you wrote is a very sweeping statement.

Take a look at this, for example, math textbooks that were rejected last year in Florida for public schools:

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/22/u...les/index.html

Under the guise of representation, these specific math books actually stated that older people and conservatives are more likely to be racists.

It was not a "sweeping statement" -- representation is not indoctrination.

If you are citing an example of "indoctrination" then that is "indoctrination" -- the two terms are not interchangeable.

I understand that you might like to present a "balanced" perspective on things but don't misrepresent what others say to make your point.



Just more Republican lies and propaganda regardless -- no one is becoming "indoctrinated" by a few math questions and most of the things they cited aren't even in the books.

Why pretend this is anything but DeSantis trying to control anything he disagrees with -- it's both dishonest and dangerous to downplay this kind of behavior in government officials.

Whenever someone says “woke” doesn’t exist, ridiculous things like these come along:

Part of the problem might be that you don't know what "woke" even means.

You are taking a term created to keep people aware of inequality and police brutality and using it instead as a "sweeping" perjorative -- exactly as conservatives intended.

Which is your prerogative -- just be aware of exactly what it is that you are doing.

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"On the left, to be “woke” means to identify as a staunch social justice advocate who’s abreast of contemporary political concerns — or to be perceived that way, whether or not you ever claimed to be “woke” yourself. At times, the defensiveness surrounding wokeness invites ironic blowback. Consider the 2020 Hulu comedy series Woke, which attempted to deconstruct the identity politics behind ideas like “wokeness,” only to garner criticism for having an outdated and too-centrist political viewpoint — that is, for not being woke enough.

On the right, “woke” — like its cousin “canceled” — bespeaks “political correctness” gone awry, and the term itself is usually used sarcastically. At the Republican National Convention in August, right-wing Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) scolded “woketopians,” grouping them together with socialists and Biden supporters, as though the definition of a “woketopian” was self-evident.

But as use of the word spreads, what people actually mean by “woke” seems less clear than ever.

After all, none of these recent political concepts has anything to do with the idea of demanding that people “stay woke” against police brutality. Despite renewed activism against police brutality in 2020, the way that terms like “woke” and “wokeness” are used outside of the Black Lives Matter community seems to bear little connection to their original context, on either the right and the left.

Shifting a Black Lives Matter slogan away from its original meaning is arguably the least woke thing ever — yet that seems to be just what happened with, of all things, “woke” itself.

To understand how “woke” came to stand in for an entire political ideology, it’s helpful to trace how the term traveled so far and wide within the American mainstream — and what that journey reveals about a polarized society.

“Stay woke” began as a watchword for Black Americans: The first time many people heard “woke” in its current context was likely during the birth of the Black Lives Matter movement. In 2014 in Ferguson, Missouri, Black citizens took to the streets nightly to protest the police shooting death of Michael Brown. As they did so, they urged each other to “stay woke” against police actions and other threats....

Given that this oldest-known introduction of “woke” to the mainstream comes in a 1962 opinion piece about how white Americans are always appropriating the Black vernacular, it’s almost as though the word predicts its own fate...."

https://www.vox.com/culture/21437879...on-controversy

[CaptainEurope]

Trump is early post crisis Lex Luthor. We need a pre Two Face Harvey Dent style prosecutor who values justice to put him away.

Alvin Bragg & Merrick Garland are either too soft, or too compromised.

It seems it just took time, not fictional characters taking over.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

It seems it just took time, not fictional characters taking over.

Exactly. Taking a former president to court and prosecuting him for crimes is no easy task, mainly because it’s never been done before, there’s no precedent, no playbook on how to proceed, and said task is made no easier by an entire political party, backed by an alleged news network acting as its propaganda arm that’s made it their mission statement to protect Trump at all costs. If Garland seemed to take forever to build a case against Trump, that’s because he had to make sure it was absolutely airtight with no holes, he only gets one shot at making charges stick, if he goes to trial with anything short of a perfect case and loses, that’s the ballgame, and Trump could never be charged a second time because of double jeopardy. A the old saying goes, slow and steady wins the race. Let’s see if that’s the case here.

[shooshoomanjoe]

Hunter Biden is suing the laptop repairman for handing his info to the paper and threatening tucker Carlson for defamation. Why threaten, just do it.

[hyped78]

Yes, they stated a fact. And...?

It's an example of blatant indoctrination in maths books

It was not a "sweeping statement" -- representation is not indoctrination.

If you are citing an example of "indoctrination" then that is "indoctrination" -- the two terms are not interchangeable.

I understand that you might like to present a "balanced" perspective on things but don't misrepresent what others say to make your point.

Just more Republican lies and propaganda regardless -- no one is becoming "indoctrinated" by a few math questions and most of the things they cited aren't even in the books.

Why pretend this is anything but DeSantis trying to control anything he disagrees with -- it's both dishonest and dangerous to downplay this kind of behavior in government officials.

Part of the problem might be that you don't know what "woke" even means.

You are taking a term created to keep people aware of inequality and police brutality and using it instead as a "sweeping" perjorative -- exactly as conservatives intended.

Which is your prerogative -- just be aware of exactly what it is that you are doing.

OK, so Oxfam's guide is not "woke" (if you're somehow offended by that statement; I am fully aware of where the term comes from and how it's used now) - it's just incredibly stupid, an example of when trying to be inclusive turns to sheer stupidity. 92 pages of trash.

And yes, you made a sweeping statement.

I wasn't defending DeSantis or the Florida crackdown on textbooks. Although I do believe that in the case of the CNN article I posted from last year it's blatantly clear that those maths books (2022) contained indoctrination material.

[Gray Lensman]

Hunter Biden is suing the laptop repairman for handing his info to the paper and threatening tucker Carlson for defamation. Why threaten, just do it.

Tuckyo already has the best defense against defamation out there - it's been proven in a court that no reasonable person should believe anything he says.

[aja_christopher]

It's an example of blatant indoctrination in maths books

OK, so Oxfam's guide is not "woke" (if you're somehow offended by that statement; I am fully aware of where the term comes from and how it's used now) - it's just incredibly stupid, an example of when trying to be inclusive turns to sheer stupidity. 92 pages of trash.

And yes, you made a sweeping statement.

I wasn't defending DeSantis or the Florida crackdown on textbooks. Although I do believe that in the case of the CNN article I posted from last year it's blatantly clear that those maths books (2022) contained indoctrination material.

I'm not offended by anything that was said nor was it a sweeping statement -- representation does not mean indoctrination.

Unless they are synonyms one word clearly does not mean another.

And it's blatantly clear that you don't have any real evidence of "indoctrination" outside of a few questions that were allegedly in those books -- many of which were shown not even to be in the books in question.

Here's some maths -- four questions out of 54 books filled with hundreds or thousands of problems does not equal blatant indoctrination.

Show far more examples and maybe you'll have an argument to the contrary but as it stands 4 out of hundreds or thousands is not "blatant" proof of anything.

Edit: Honestly, after reading more of the attached article I'm being far too generous giving them even 4 examples -- 1 or 2 at best.

[hyped78]

I'm not offended by anything that was said nor was it a sweeping statement -- representation does not mean indocrtrination.

One word clearly does not mean another.

And it's blatantly clear that you don't have any real evidence of "indoctrination" outside of a few questions that were allegedly in those books -- many of which were shown not even to be in the books in question.

"a few questions that were allegedly in those books -- many of which were shown not even to be in the books in question." - do you have a news link that demonstrates what you've just said? Because that CNN article doesn't say what you have just stated

[hyped78]

Is Trump gonna run from jail? GOP Primary debates live from jail!

[thwhtGuardian]

It's an example of blatant indoctrination in maths books



OK, so Oxfam's guide is not "woke" (if you're somehow offended by that statement; I am fully aware of where the term comes from and how it's used now) - it's just incredibly stupid, an example of when trying to be inclusive turns to sheer stupidity. 92 pages of trash.

And yes, you made a sweeping statement.

I wasn't defending DeSantis or the Florida crackdown on textbooks. Although I do believe that in the case of the CNN article I posted from last year it's blatantly clear that those maths books (2022) contained indoctrination material.

...it's not indoctrination at all.