SO....Mephisto STRIKES AGAIN AT THE SPIDER-Verse.... Spoilers for Champions #1

[Denirac]

When I read Champions #1

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[VGCinema]

This thread is making me feel like the confused math lady.

[Scott Taylor]

Here's the thing. The greatest Dr. Doom story, one of the greatest Marvel stories, and the best story Mephisto appeared in is Roger Stern's Triumph and Torment. What happens in that story? Dr. Doom, tyrant and dictator, marches to hell and saves the soul of his mother, and cons the Devil...and kicks tons of a-- (and oh hey Dr. Strange is there too).

There's not a lot to say when a tyrant/dictator comes across as a more heroic and moral guy than Faust Parker.

To be fair, Dr. Doom may be more of a momma's boy than even Peter Parker

[Alan2099]

To be fair, Dr. Doom may be more of a momma's boy than even Peter Parker

Without a doubt.

I remember one comic where he referred to something as "belonging to the greatest magical talent the world has ever known. My mother."

And he's completley backed down when the Punisher threatened to destroy a painting of his mother.

[Ursalink]

Oh, please! Bad enough was OMD, now a version with Mephisto? I remember Miles had a facing against Blackheart some time ago, but making him to make a deal with Mephisto is stupid.

[Prof. Warren]

Oh, please! Bad enough was OMD, now a version with Mephisto? I remember Miles had a facing against Blackheart some time ago, but making him to make a deal with Mephisto is stupid.

Probably good to let this story play out, then judge it on its own terms.

It could well be great. Zub hasn't let me down in any of his Marvel work yet. And all we have to go on so far is a last page cliffhanger.

Far too little to go on at this point to say that it's "stupid."

[LordUltimus]

Hey, wasn't Mephisto imprisoned in Hell and Johnny Blaze ruling? What happened to that?

[Snoop Dogg]

Hey, wasn't Mephisto imprisoned in Hell and Johnny Blaze ruling? What happened to that?

it's a zub and brevoort book so they're probably going to address this, but it's laaaaaaaaame if that gets reversed in this book of all things

[Scott Taylor]

Without a doubt.

I remember one comic where he referred to something as "belonging to the greatest magical talent the world has ever known. My mother."

And he's completley backed down when the Punisher threatened to destroy a painting of his mother.

The first Marvel Fantastic Four movie - Reed defeats Doom with "Martha!"

[WebSlingWonder]

Probably good to let this story play out, then judge it on its own terms.

It could well be great. Zub hasn't let me down in any of his Marvel work yet. And all we have to go on so far is a last page cliffhanger.

Far too little to go on at this point to say that it's "stupid."

Agreed. This premature hate is ridiculous.

[Huntsman Spider]

Hey, wasn't Mephisto imprisoned in Hell and Johnny Blaze ruling? What happened to that?

Considering Mephisto somehow escaped to screw with Ben Reilly some more in the final issues of his solo (the ending of which was mercifully reversed by Spider-Geddon) . . .

it's a zub and brevoort book so they're probably going to address this, but it's laaaaaaaaame if that gets reversed in this book of all things

Hmm, maybe. Maybe not.

[CrimsonEchidna]

You see, I know the theory is Miles made a deal already off panel, but what if this is Mephisto first attempt at tempting him instead?

[Dragonick]

You see, I know the theory is Miles made a deal already off panel, but what if this is Mephisto first attempt at tempting him instead?

He has to have made the deal already as he asks Miles "isn't this what you wanted". And he wouldn't have been acting so strange after the mission.

As far as Mephisto being out along with this series and Ben's solo I believe he appeared in another series as well (I don't remember which at the moment), so I kinda doubt it was a mistake by Zub. So it leaves us with two options Mephisto escaped somehow or this isn't Mephisto and it's some other really powerful being pretending to be him, honestly both options are possible.

[LordUltimus]

Considering Mephisto somehow escaped to screw with Ben Reilly some more in the final issues of his solo (the ending of which was mercifully reversed by Spider-Geddon) . . .

Well, the ending was so muddled and as you said ultimately irrelevant I was wondering if it was just Ben hallucinating or something.

[bob.schoonover]

He has to have made the deal already as he asks Miles "isn't this what you wanted". And he wouldn't have been acting so strange after the mission.

As far as Mephisto being out along with this series and Ben's solo I believe he appeared in another series as well (I don't remember which at the moment), so I kinda doubt it was a mistake by Zub. So it leaves us with two options Mephisto escaped somehow or this isn't Mephisto and it's some other really powerful being pretending to be him, honestly both options are possible.

Blackheart would make a lot of sense there.

Escape seems a tad weird if we believe in a cohesive editorial direction for Mephisto - while it's certainly possible that the main point of Damnation was to dethrone Mephisto for the purpose of putting him on the run/needing to regain power, usually these types of stories involve actual time passing between capture and escape, more than the 5-6 months between the end of Damnation and his appearance in Scarlet Spider.