All-purpose news and politics thread: Two Steps Beyond!(Part II)

[master of read]

I’d say there’s a difference between laughing at someone’s clear, gross incompetence and being fearful of them.

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and yet, trump is in office.

good to know.

[Cimmerian]

and yet, trump is in office.

good to know.

For 6 more years, too.

[master of read]

For 6 more years, too.

and this is why i don't have any respect for anyone from the GOP these days.

[GindyPosts]

i notice trump supports always talk about winning and losing, like it's some kind of contest.

so who exactly is "winning"? because it ain't america right now.

Trump supporters, because Trump is in the White House, and that's all that matters since, in the end, the goal is always to "own the libs".

There are Republicans who invest in wanting to explore the more complex analytics of government, but let's be realistic; the Average American isn't going to sit down and spend hours explaining and/or reading through dozens of documents about how one portion of the federal budget is or isn't going to impact another portion of what the government invests in. No; they're going to want the bullet points, and of said points, they're going to only care about specific things (border protection, abortion bans, voter ID laws).

Politicians are aware of the fact that people are not going to spend time exploring this stuff unless they're being paid to as their job, so they will exploit this. Regardless, there are those who don't care at all about politics and look at a person like Trump as a sort of anti-establishment figure that came in as a white knight that upset the balance and his existence makes plenty of people unhappy or angry, and that's all that matters to them. It doesn't matter that Trump has flip-flopped over the years, or that Trump didn't build his empire but rather inherited said empire and took advantage of America's predisposition to favoring the wealthy establishment. No, it's sticking it to people they don't like.

Besides, I never wanted Trump impeached (though, selfishly, this is more due to my general hatred of Mike Pence). If anything, when Trump was elected, I was far more concerned about him keeling over during his tenure due to poor health habits, dietary choices, and the fact he prided himself on barely getting 4 hours of sleep nightly.

[ZombieHavoc]

One time, a former friend of mine, who's a Trumper, posted some article about a college offering a safe space when Trump came to speak, before the election I think.

I read the article, even though it was from some ridiculous right wing outlet, I forget which one. It was actually only a couple of paragraphs. The first was the guys blasting people for needing some safe space because they can't handle big bad Trump coming to speak. The second was about how he went to this safe space several times to, I guess, talk to people there utilizing it, and each time, there was no one there.

This whole safe space, crayon, play doh thing is something that probably happened like twice and, like everything else, has become a major and farcical issue for people on the right and something for them to cling to.

It's pretty funny.

[Farealmer]

Why is it that the Trump supporters only ever come out when he gets a win and not when he loses or fucks up? The same thing happened with Kavanaugh. It's hard to take people seriously when all they ever want to do is show up to gloat.

[master of read]

Why is it that the Trump supporters only ever come out when he gets a win and not when he loses or fucks up? The same thing happened with Kavanaugh. It's hard to take people seriously when all they ever want to do is show up to gloat.

[GindyPosts]

Why is it that the Trump supporters only ever come out when he gets a win and not when he loses or fucks up? The same thing happened with Kavanaugh. It's hard to take people seriously when all they ever want to do is show up to gloat.

A) Shut up, that's why!

B) (and the honest answer) This is largely due to the act that the Trump administration has largely been unable to get anything done, policy-wise. The whole point of the government shutdown was to try and break the Democrats so they would have to agree to fund a massive Mexican wall, but instead, it was Trump who cracked, and instead of building a wall, all that's going to likely happen is increased border security (which is probably going to be staffed by yahoos who watch nothing but Fox News or Breitbart, and are unaware that most people who try to get across the border are seeking asylum by turning themselves into the authorities, which right now, is a legal way of immigration), which pissed off a lot of Trump supporters. Basically, any little victory they get is cause for celebration. It's like that one story back in elementary school about the boy who kept dreaming about a crappy world where everything was polluted and junk and the fishing campaign was celebrating wildly at catching one scrawny fish; it didn't matter how meaningless everything is as a whole, but the fact that they got something to wag their fingers at everyone else at is important. Now watch as they carry this minor victory for the rest of the year.

[Tuck]

For 6 more years, too.

Clip is at 2:29

[Moon Ronin]

Is capitalism perfect? Nope.

Does it beat the piss out of the alternatives? Yep.

And I do so love this form of “democratic socialism” that the left is so keen on these days.

They love bringing up the Nordic countries as a prime example citing their wealth and prosperity. Seemingly ignoring that these countries like Norway and Sweden also have mass oil deposits that they actively drill for. Something that liberals in this country are fundamentally opposed to.

People in the United States do not under stand the Nordic economic model on ether side of the political spectrum. It would take doing things both parties are against. That and it also takes great trust and confidence in the government, and that is they one Americans really don't have.

[wjowski]

I’d say there’s a difference between laughing at someone’s clear, gross incompetence and being fearful of them.

And yes, when 20 something year old college students need to form “crying circles” and “safe spaces”, pet support puppies, and have their teachers supply them with hot cocoa and coloring books to ease the unbearable pain of their preferred candidate losing an election...they are indeed snowflakes.

As opposed to conservatives literally suing people for saying mean things about them on social media?

I find it ironic that the 'Fuck your feelings' crowd seem to have the thinnest skins of all.

[Malvolio]

PSsst. We're a mixed economy, just like the Nordic countries and much of the world. It's just that here in the states, the 'benefits' of 'socialism' are pushed to the top. If you like it that way, fine, but your inability to understand what's being spoken of largely isn't my problem and it'd be pointless to engage with someone who's ardently only interested in bad faith.

Yet you keep engaging with him. Stop feeding the troll. He's not going to stick around for very long, any more than JBatfan or any of the other trolls who have come and gone on these boards. I'll engage with Mets because he at least seems rational, even though I usually disagree with him. But let's not waste our time feeding trolls who don't even realize that the guy they're emulating in their SN and avatar has actively opposed Trump.

[jetengine]

Realistically immaterial of what side your on America needs these things.

1. Some kind of Universal Healthcare scheme. People shouldn't have to decide between eating or dying. Insurance can only cover so much and is very much a gamed system as anyone who had tried to claim car insurance can attest. This can also aid in reducing mass shootings since a chunk of them are commited by the mentally ill who have no way to gain aid.

2. Higher taxation on the rich and corporations. Its not rocket science, if your scraping by then you should pay less, if your rolling in it you pay more.

3. Use said taxation on infastructure.

4. Various green bills, if you guys think the latin americans fleeing warlords etc are bad wait till areas of Africa cant sustain life.

5. Some kind of gun control. When your hitting the US numbers you need to ackowledge theirs an issue.

6.Regulations are required again since Trump shattered many for no real reason. Regulate more infact.

7. Make sure Roe vs Wade and LGBTQ is in the constitution.

8. Remove the Electoral college and renovate the way the voting system works. Swing states shouldnt exist.

The issue unfortunately is that only the Left seem to be interested in these things. The right dont particularly care for gun control, abortion and climate change and have very mixed feelings about everything else.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Besides, I never wanted Trump impeached (though, selfishly, this is more due to my general hatred of Mike Pence). If anything, when Trump was elected, I was far more concerned about him keeling over during his tenure due to poor health habits, dietary choices, and the fact he prided himself on barely getting 4 hours of sleep nightly.

It's no secret that being President ages the hell out of the office holder because of the day to day stress associated with the job which, at times, can be considerable. Barack Obama, for example, three years younger than me (I'm 60) looked almost ten years older when he left office. Sure, it was a legitimate worry that Trump, overweight, possessed of poor dietary habits and religiously adverse to exercise (save for playing golf) might not make it to 2020 before some sort of health problem struck him down, but, he's still kicking. Don't get me wrong, I hate Trump with a passion, but nowhere near enough to wish him to drop dead, I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Perhaps he's too damn stubborn (or ignorant) to let the stress get to him, or, vindictive bastard that he is, Trump just refuses to give the world the satisfaction of keeling over before his time in office is done. That wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

[Kirby101]

It's no secret that being President ages the hell out of the office holder because of the day to day stress associated with the job which, at times, can be considerable. Barack Obama, for example, three years younger than me (I'm 60) looked almost ten years older when he left office. Sure, it was a legitimate worry that Trump, overweight, possessed of poor dietary habits and religiously adverse to exercise (save for playing golf) might not make it to 2020 before some sort of health problem struck him down, but, he's still kicking. Don't get me wrong, I hate Trump with a passion, but nowhere near enough to wish him to drop dead, I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Perhaps he's too damn stubborn (or ignorant) to let the stress get to him, or, vindictive bastard that he is, Trump just refuses to give the world the satisfaction of keeling over before his time in office is done. That wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

But Trump really doesn't work hard and doesn't care what his decisions result in. I don't think the presidency will age him as it has others.