All purpose news and politics thread part v: The quickening

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

I'll take the opinion of the Congressional Black Caucus and many other black voters (including myself) over yours in that regard.

Again, ideals are great but you need to show actual political wins and passed legislation to back up your assertions.

I'll also point out that it makes absolutely no sense to try to lecture black people about who they should prefer in an election -- it certainly doesn't do your candidate any favors and it just makes you look as if you just want to use the "black vote" to achieve your own political ends.

This is exactly the same narrative I saw from Sanders supporters in 2016, so don't be surprised if you achieve exactly the same results this time around.

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"‘A dream ticket’: Black lawmakers pitch Biden-Harris to beat Trump"

Senior members of the Congressional Black Caucus say it’s an ideal ticket if the former vice president stays atop the polls.

"“The data are clear that he has strong support among African Americans,” Clyburn said. “It’s just that simple. He’s had that for a long, long time, and he’s kept it steady so far.”

The CBC isn’t expected to endorse in the Democratic race, although its political arm, CBC PAC, will likely wade into the crowded contest at some point. In the meantime, Biden, Harris, Booker and other candidates are all wooing members of the CBC, who have outsize influence with African American voters.

“I don’t think people should underestimate the significance of this older white guy playing the role of second, a supportive second, to a younger man who is African American,” said Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.). “And people felt this was real and authentic, [Biden] wasn't faking it. There was a real friendship there.”

Biden also has a natural ease in the black community in a way that other white Democratic candidates don’t, according to some caucus members.

“Biden is very comfortable in African American circles. Sometimes a white politician in an all-black setting, you can feel the seed of nervousness,” Cleaver said. “With Biden, he’s just right at home. You can see it and feel it.”

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...ticket-1317561

1. There's many black voters that prefer Sanders as well. Are you lecturing them or just being dismissive of them because they aren't supporting your point? You can't accuse me of it and then not answer for it yourself with the people you are ignoring.

2. The Congressional Black Congress is made up of mostly Democratic Reps and 2 Senators. So like this thread likes to constantly remind people, Sanders isn't a Democrat while Biden has been a party mainstay for several decades.

So check your own narratives first because they constantly conflict. Unless you think 50 something people is representative of the entire African American population lol

[Superbat]

So much for black voters strongly rejecting Sanders.

"Recent polls indicate that not only has Senator Bernie Sanders risen to a virtual tie with former Vice President Joe Biden in the Democratic presidential race among registered voters nationally, but Sanders has also made headway with African-American voters.

Out of all the candidates vying for the chance to run against the incumbent President Donald Trump in the 2020 election, 20 percent of registered Democrats and independent voters told a Reuters/Ipsos poll they would support Sanders.

Biden came in just behind Sanders with 19 percent, while Senator Elizabeth Warren garnered 9 percent of the poll.

Sanders has also gained more support with African-American voters according to a poll conducted by VICE News and Ipsos.

While 54 percent of African-American voters said they would consider voting for Biden, 56 percent said they would consider voting for Sanders, numbers the poll considers to be a "statistical tie."

Sanders also has a 10 percent lead over Biden among the Hispanic community with Sanders grabbing 47 percent of its support, while Biden has 37 percent.

"Despite frequently being described as a 'socialist' or 'too liberal,' Bernie Sanders has as many, if not more, minority Americans considering voting for him as any other candidates," Ipsos Public Affairs Vice President Chris Jackson told VICE News."

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sand...-polls-1482864

[PaulBullion]

So much for black voters completely rejecting Sanders.

Thank you for proving wrong a point zero people made.

[PwrdOn]

I'll take the opinion of the Congressional Black Caucus and many other black voters (including myself) over yours in that regard.

Again, ideals are great but you need to show actual political wins and passed legislation to back up your assertions.

I'll also point out that it makes absolutely no sense to try to lecture black people about who they should prefer in an election -- it certainly doesn't do your candidate any favors and it just makes you look as if you just want to use the "black vote" to achieve your own political ends.

This is exactly the same narrative I saw from Sanders supporters in 2016, so don't be surprised if you achieve exactly the same results this time around.

Using the black vote to achieve their own political ends is exactly what the Democratic Party has done since the 60s. You really think Joe Biden, a guy who once sang the praises of Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms, opposed the integration of schools, and hung Anita Hill out to dry during the Clarence Thomas hearings, really gives a damn about black people other than to cynically exploit their vote? Whatever they might be promised during the primary, in the general election, black voters are a captive audience for Democrats and so they have absolutely no incentive to campaign on policies that will actually help you. They only need to make a good enough show of pretending to care in order to appease white swing voters, and since this demographic leans more right on race issues in the era of Trump, they probably won't even have to do that in 2020.

[Superbat]

Thank you for proving wrong a point zero people made.

So are you saying black voters don't know what is good for them, the way they are STRONGLY rejecting Sanders?

I posted the poll results because I remembered someone said black voters were rejecting Sanders.

It was you.

I will edit my post to change completely to strongly.

[aja_christopher]

Using the black vote to achieve their own political ends is exactly what the Democratic Party has done since the 60s.

Many Democratic party members -- and candidates -- are "black" so that's a stupid argument.

Again -- if you "progressives" keep running the same divisive game you ran in 2016, you're going to get the same results.

Edit: More ignorant than "stupid" -- and very similar to the same patronizing arguments heard from Republicans regarding the Democratic "plantation".

So check your own narratives first because they constantly conflict. Unless you think 50 something people is representative of the entire African American population lol

I included my opinion -- and the opinion of the black people I know -- as well. That said, I likely know more about the "black community" in question than you do because I'm actually a part of it.

None of them are talking about Sanders but none of them likewise have any negative feelings towards Biden. That doesn't mean black people don't -- or won't -- support Sanders, it just means that the narrative about Biden being "problematic with blacks" is blatantly biased towards your candidate of choice.

Like I said before -- I'm not going to waste time arguing about this, or with people like you, because (unlike you) I learned my lesson in 2016.

Sit here and destroy yourselves with infighting if you want to -- I suppose that's a lot easier than providing proof of Sanders successful legislation with regards to the black community and that he can win a national election, much less implement said legislation once he gets into office.

Note that I'm not even saying that Sanders can't do it -- I'm just pointing out that you're engaging in rhetoric while providing no evidence to back it up.

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"Poll: Biden leads handily in African American support"

"Former vice president Joe Biden is maintaining high levels of support among African American voters less than one month before the first contest of the 2020 election season.

According to a Washington Post-Ipsos national poll released Saturday, 48 percent of Democratic-leaning black voters back Biden as their choice for president, citing his time as former President Barack Obama’s vice president among reasons for their support.

Sen. Bernie Sanders came in second with 20 percent of support and led the field among black voters aged under 35.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren was third at 9 percent, former New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg and Sen. Cory Booker tied at 4 percent, and entrepreneur Andrew Yang garnered 3 percent. Billionaire Tom Steyer and former South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg registered at 2 percent respectively. The rest of the candidates received less than 1 percent.

The survey also showed Biden was best placed among the field to defeat Donald Trump, although the president performed poorly against any Democratic candidate.

A December poll for the BlackPAC political action committee showed Biden had 44 percent support among prospective black voters, a key Democratic bloc."

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...rs-poll-097524

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

Many Democratic party members -- and candidates -- are "black" so that's a stupid argument.

Again -- if you "progressives" keep running the same divisive game you ran in 2016, you're going to get the same results.



I included my opinion -- and the opinion of the black people I know -- as well. That said, I likely know more about the "black community" in question than you do because I'm actually a part of it.

None of them are talking about Sanders but none of them likewise have any negative feelings towards Biden. That doesn't mean black people don't -- or won't -- support Sanders, it just means that the narrative about Biden being "problematic with blacks" is blatantly biased towards your candidate of choice.

Like I said before -- I'm not going to waste time arguing about this, or with people like you, because (unlike you) I learned my lesson in 2016.

Sit here and destroy yourselves with infighting if you want to -- I suppose that's a lot easier than providing proof of Sanders successful legislation with regards to the black community and that he can win a national election, much less implement said legislation once he gets into office.

Note that I'm not even saying that Sanders can't do it -- I'm just pointing out that you're engaging in rhetoric while providing no evidence to back it up.

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"Poll: Biden leads handily in African American support"

"Former vice president Joe Biden is maintaining high levels of support among African American voters less than one month before the first contest of the 2020 election season.

According to a Washington Post-Ipsos national poll released Saturday, 48 percent of Democratic-leaning black voters back Biden as their choice for president, citing his time as former President Barack Obama’s vice president among reasons for their support.

Sen. Bernie Sanders came in second with 20 percent of support and led the field among black voters aged under 35.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren was third at 9 percent, former New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg and Sen. Cory Booker tied at 4 percent, and entrepreneur Andrew Yang garnered 3 percent. Billionaire Tom Steyer and former South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg registered at 2 percent respectively. The rest of the candidates received less than 1 percent.

The survey also showed Biden was best placed among the field to defeat Donald Trump, although the president performed poorly against any Democratic candidate.

A December poll for the BlackPAC political action committee showed Biden had 44 percent support among prospective black voters, a key Democratic bloc."

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...rs-poll-097524

"none of which you provided". I'm talking about actual polls for Sanders among AA's you are talking about people you know. Okay

[aja_christopher]

"none of which you provided". I'm talking about actual polls for Sanders among AA's you are talking about people you know. Okay

I'm also posting links to factual articles that show that Biden is heavily favored by African-American voters and that he has the best chance to beat Trump in a general election.

You might not like those "facts" but that doesn't change them, or that you've provided no examples of legislation that Sanders has passed directly in support of the black community or any proof that progressive policies can win national elections.

Let's be real -- if Sanders (or Buttigeig) didn't feel like they needed black support to win the Democratic nomination, they probably wouldn't even bother.

Biden has already been where Sanders is trying to go, and that's why he tends to resonate with more black voters.

Here's the thing: I get it. You support Sanders and feel he's the best candidate for the job.

That doesn't mean that facts should be dismissed just because they don't support your candidate of choice.

[PaulBullion]

I posted the poll results because I remembered someone said black voters were rejecting Sanders.

It was you.

I will edit my post to change completely to strongly.

Strongly rejecting him.
As in, by a strong majority. Point out the lie.

Really, I want you around here. But you're not elevating the discussion currently. You need to step up your game a little, bring stronger arguments, if you can find any. I am tempted to put you on ignore just because I am rolling my eyes so hard it's giving me a headache.

[Superbat]

Strongly rejecting him.
As in, by a strong majority. Point out the lie.

Really, I want you around here. But you're not elevating the discussion currently. You need to step up your game a little, bring stronger arguments, if you can find any. I am tempted to put you on ignore just because I am rolling my eyes so hard it's giving me a headache.

Just as many black voters are considering voting for Bernie as Biden. That number is higher than 50%.

The lie is that a majority of black voters have rejected him.

"While 54 percent of African-American voters said they would consider voting for Biden, 56 percent said they would consider voting for Sanders, numbers the poll considers to be a "statistical tie.""

[Tami]

Question to all voters

What is more important? The messaging or the man/woman?

Do you vote based on proposed policy? Or based on personality? Or based on resume (qualifications, experience, skills, etc.)?

[lam]

How is lowering nutrition for children a "good move"?

From what I've noticed, the world is becoming way too fixed on healthy eating. While important, I find leading a life where I eat some junk, but live an active life much better than eating healthy and being forever sedentary.

Everyone needs a little junk food every now and then.

[SquirrelMan]

From what I've noticed, the world is becoming way too fixed on healthy eating. While important, I find leading a life where I eat some junk, but live an active life much better than eating healthy and being forever sedentary.

Everyone needs a little junk food every now and then.

We really do not.

[PaulBullion]

From what I've noticed, the world is becoming way too fixed on healthy eating. While important, I find leading a life where I eat some junk, but live an active life much better than eating healthy and being forever sedentary.

Everyone needs a little junk food every now and then.

You do realize that this is not about treating yourself occasionally? This means that kids will eat less healthy 5 days a week. This will lead to more obesity, higher healthcare cost and a further reduction in life expectancy.

[Theleviathan]

Are you talking about Biden or Sanders here? Between the two, Biden has a far more troubling record on race issues and there is no great love for him among his black supporters, or any of his supporters really, the only reason anyone would ever vote for him is that tired old argument that he's the only one that can win. Never mind that his whole vision of "nothing will fundamentally change" isn't really inspiring to Obama loyalists or people hoping to actually address the problem of racial inequality in this country.

You packed a lot of nonsense into that paragraph. Like, it's impressive really.

Maybe I'm wrong though.....on what factual basis do you claim there is no love for Biden?

As for the rest of the discussion, it is simply a fact that Biden is blowing away the other candidates among black voters. It's better than two to one in almost every poll. Bernie has a few segments of the black population he is appealing to and the hispanic vote, but from a factual perspective anything other than "the majority of black voters prefer Biden" is delusional. Black voters aren't rejecting Sanders, but they're still embracing Biden first.