The 1960s Adam West BATMAN movie is probably the only version that didn't deal with the death of the Waynes. Watching that movie and its parent TV series as a kid, I often did wonder why Bruce Wayne decided to put on a bat costume to fight crime in Gotham City.
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First CBR Appearance (Historical): November, 1996
First CBR Appearance (Modern): April, 2014
Though much is taken, much abides; and though
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are,
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
--Lord Alfred Tennyson--
I don't see what's invalid or inappropriate about that. Sharing certain ideological beliefs is all well and good, but giving them this deeper personal connection is something that at least on (metaphorical, as we live in a digital era) celluloid, hasn't really been explored until now. I was quite surprised by how we had all subconsciously known for all these years that Clark Kent's and Bruce Wayne's mothers were named "Martha," but had never made that connection. Ironically, the two heroes had never seemed genuinely closer to each other in any medium than they did in that moment when they backed away from trying to kill each other.
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I cracked up. The way Lois said "It's his mothers name" and Batman was like "Whoah!" it was just one of the dumbest things I've seen on film in a while. An attempt to give the two heroes a deep emotional connection fell flat on its ass, like every single moment in the film. And the whole fight could have been avoided if Supes just said "Lex is trying to kill my mother" a single time. Garbage movie.
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"It's too bad she won't live! But then again, who does? - Gaff Blade Runner
"In a short time, this will be a long time ago." - Werner Slow West
"One of the biggest problems in the industry is apathy right now." - Dan Didio Co-Publisher of I Wonder Why That Is Comics
Fixed that for you. While I don't think either BvS or Suicide Squad was as bad as the negative attention would imply, they still weren't good. Both were still just very meh. They weren't what they could have been and nowhere near the potential of what a movie featuring the classic DC characters can be. I sincerely hope Wonder Woman is part of this course correction. The fact that the script was written by Geoff Johns and Patty Jenkins gives me hope.
If you read my tweets I give dozens of good reasons for disliking the film, and even give it credit a few times. I think it has the greatest Batman fight scene ever put to film. I thought the Senate bombing scene was well handled. Just because I was expecting to hate it doesn't mean I'm biased beyond reason.
Hell I even think it had a decent screenplay! Chris Terrio is a professional writer and probably drastically improved on Goyers original draft. The problems were the story and the direction.
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The movie made it clear that Batman's PTSD is linked particularly to his mother's death. It haunts his nightmares. Given all that he's going through, she just happens to be the inexplicable trigger in that moment.
Clark's mother also happens to be his lighthouse in the storm, a chance to actively save a mother named Martha now when he could only stand by helplessly before.
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It wasn't about a deep emotional connection. It was about Bruce finally being able to see himself clearly. He saw himself in Clark, who he had previously only viewed as an alien other or remote god who didn't know what it felt like to be human with something to lose, and he saw himself as the villain of his own childhood trauma by seeing Lois and Clark in Martha and Thomas' position and him in their murderer's position. By stopping, Batman saves himself from his own ultimate corruption, saves his Martha by symbolically not becoming that monster, and saves another Martha for her son (Clark, who is like Bruce was a child). It brings Bruce's past into his present, so that he can be redeemed and reborn, as it were. Snyder said he was inspired by this quote, which was alluded to in the film:
“The Hero Path
We have not even to risk the adventure alone
for the heroes of all time have gone before us.
The labyrinth is thoroughly known ...
we have only to follow the thread of the hero path.
And where we had thought to find an abomination
we shall find a God.
And where we had thought to slay another
we shall slay ourselves.
Where we had thought to travel outwards
we shall come to the center of our own existence.
And where we had thought to be alone
we shall be with all the world.”
― Joseph Campbell
Superman does mention Lex's actions to Batman, too, if you'll recall:
Superman: Bruce. Please. I was wrong. You have to listen to me. Lex wants us...You don't understand. There's no time!
Batman: I understand.
Superman: Stay down! If I wanted it, you'd be dead already!
Batman: Breathe in. That's fear. You're not brave. Men are brave. I bet your parents taught you, that you mean something. That you're here for a reason. My parents taught me a different lesson, dying in the gutter for no reason at all. They taught me the world only makes sense, if you force it to. You were never a god. You were never even a man.
You're letting him...kill Martha...
Even earlier, he informs Lois (and the audience) what his goal was when confronting Batman. He says, "Lois. I have to go to Gotham to convince him to help me." The only reason Superman never gets the whole message out is because Batman keeps attacking him mid-sentence, causing him to lose his breath, which is what the ellipses represent.
Maybe instead of spending time bashing the movie unfairly, you should rewatch the movie. You might appreciate it more than you do at present.
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