Rorschach Maxiseries announced: Tom King and Jorge Fornes.

[Agent Z]

Jae accepted a commission for the current leader of Comicgate, none of that is false. Yeah, it nearly ruined his career but is evading the reason why that is so.

Because it is completely irrelevant to the conversation here.

Associating with hate groups is bad for business,

And Lee's association with Comicsgate amounts to doing an alternative cover for a comic back when he didn't know what comicsgate was and then distancing himself from them when he learned about what they were. Which King would have known if he'd done his research.

everyone knows this which is why it's wise to know who they are so they don't accidentally do something like this.

Like what? Falsely accuse someone of supporting a hate group? Seems to me like the problem

Of course EVS was going to use Jae's art to boost Comicsgate, that's what was inevitable. I get being angry at Tom King over this, but why not anger for EVS?

Van Sciver's sins have already been aired. He is not the one who falsely accused Lee of supporting a hate group and almost irreparably damaging a person's career in this particular incident. It's not like the people saying Lee is also to blame have called out Van Sciver for making it look like Lee was part of a hate group.

He didn't even say Comicgate or EVS in his statement, he shut down the discussion completely. Sure it is, that's what happens when people don't want to be linked to groups like that.

Lee shut down the conversation because he wasn't interested in having it. He has a right to not talk about comicsgate and he has a right to not use social media. Most people in the world neither know nor care about comicsgate, should they be metaphorically tarred and feathered too? What is this, a draft during war? By all means, take the fight to comicsgate but those who wish to stay out of it should be left alone.

[Devaishwarya]

Thank you.
Again with the entitlement that as "fans" the readership is owed something. Jae Lee owes us, and far less TK, no explanations.
Jae Lee is a grown adult with responsibilities to himself and his family first...staying in his lane and deciding that he doesn't need to be part of that infantile petty mess. That self-assurance is admirable.
As fans, most of the times we just need to mind our own fucking business and stay away from shyt that has nothing to do with us.

If only TK had a similar grown up thought...then he would not be feeling the heat of the backblow now.

[HsssH]

Trying to claim some kind of a moral equivalence between King and Lee and claim that they both were wrong is just ridiculous. Now imagine if drunk man comes back home and beats his wife due to dinner being cold. Would you start arguing that wife is responsible for it as well because he probably wouldn't have beaten her if dinner wasn't cold? It is absurd and about as close to victim shaming as you can get.

I'm not moving the goal posts, I just think you're reading too much into his statement. I don't not see how this implies any of the things you're seeing.

I'm somewhat not surprised since I have seen him writing some absurd posts about Man of Steel movie as well. Not sure if it is even worth discussing anything with him.

[Steel Inquisitor]

Because it is completely irrelevant to the conversation here.

Jae making a cover for EVS/Comicsgate is how we got here, if he didn't do this commission we wouldn't be talking about it. That's the lightning rod which is why Jae fears rising his career over. Did you read the tweet which did this? It's in a post I wrote upthread.

And Lee's association with Comicsgate amounts to doing an alternative cover for a comic back when he didn't know what comicsgate was and then distancing himself from them when he learned about what they were.

He only distanced himself after King bought it up, and this was an inevitable reaction. If King hadn't had done this, someone like Rich Johnson would have and Jae would be in the same mess.

Which King would have known if he'd done his research.

He's not the only one who failed to do his research.

Like what? Falsely accuse someone of supporting a hate group? Seems to me like the problem

Which King was wrong about, except he didn't just get that from nowhere. EVS used that cover to make that look like it was true. King falsely got that impression from a tweet about that cover from EVS, which connected Jae with Comicsgate. King didn't just blurt this out at random.

Van Sciver's sins have already been aired. He is not the one who falsely accused Lee of supporting a hate group and almost irreparably damaging a person's career in this particular incident. It's not like the people saying Lee is also to blame have called out Van Sciver for making it look like Lee was part of a hate group.

Not in this discussion they haven't. In your first paragraph you relegated his actions to being irrelevant on this subject. EVS is the one who commissioned Jae Lee and linked that cover to Comicsgate, what did you think he was going to do with a cover like that? Not in here they haven't. King's allegation is far more of a concern than EVS is, and he's the one who lined Jae to Comicsgate before King arrived.

Lee shut down the conversation because he wasn't interested in having it. He has a right to not talk about comicsgate and he has a right to not use social media. Most people in the world neither know nor care about comicsgate, should they be metaphorically tarred and feathered too? What is this, a draft during war?

It's about professionals making sure they're not linked to hate groups, since its bad for business. He definitely has a right to do that, but this is about Jae having a career in comics and to do that requires not being linked to a hate group. Most people don't make commissions for hate groups, unknowingly or not. This is, in fact, a culture war within the comic industry. This is how Jae makes a living, he was doing to bump into it sooner or later.

By all means, take the fight to comicsgate but those who wish to stay out of it should be left alone.

EVS bought Jae into it, and there are numerous fans and creators who don't have the privilege to ignore it. Gail Simone's had to live with this resistance, even if it wasn't called Comicsgate in its infancy, since she started her career in comics.

[Devaishwarya]

@HsssH...believe me, it isn't.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

Jae making a cover for EVS/Comicsgate is how we got here, if he didn't do this commission we wouldn't be talking about it. That's the lightning rod which is why Jae fears rising his career over. Did you read the tweet which did this? It's in a post I wrote upthread.



He only distanced himself after King bought it up, and this was an inevitable reaction. If King hadn't had done this, someone like Rich Johnson would have and Jae would be in the same mess.



He's not the only one who failed to do his research.



Which King was wrong about, except he didn't just get that from nowhere. EVS used that cover to make that look like it was true. King falsely got that impression from a tweet about that cover from EVS, which connected Jae with Comicsgate. King didn't just blurt this out at random.


Not in this discussion they haven't. In your first paragraph you relegated his actions to being irrelevant on this subject. EVS is the one who commissioned Jae Lee and linked that cover to Comicsgate, what did you think he was going to do with a cover like that? Not in here they haven't. King's allegation is far more of a concern than EVS is, and he's the one who lined Jae to Comicsgate before King arrived.



It's about professionals making sure they're not linked to hate groups, since its bad for business. He definitely has a right to do that, but this is about Jae having a career in comics and to do that requires not being linked to a hate group. Most people don't make commissions for hate groups, unknowingly or not. This is, in fact, a culture war within the comic industry. This is how Jae makes a living, he was doing to bump into it sooner or later.



EVS bought Jae into it, and there are numerous fans and creators who don't have the privilege to ignore it. Gail Simone's had to live with this resistance, even if it wasn't called Comicsgate in its infancy, since she started her career in comics.

No we got here because Tom King falsely accused him of something. If King knew what he was talking about and didn’t speak out of place this isn’t a story

[Steel Inquisitor]

No we got here because Tom King falsely accused him of something. If King knew what he was talking about and didn’t speak out of place this isn’t a story

And what happened that made him think that?

You don't think world famous famous artist, Jae Lee, doing a cover for EVS - which EVS directly linked to Comicsgate on twitter - would be a news story? Going to disagree there.

[HsssH]

And we go back to beginning, why King didn't bother to contact Lee and find out whats up with that news story? Simple answer, because King is an *******.

[Drako]

He only distanced himself after King bought it up, and this was an inevitable reaction. If King hadn't had done this, someone like Rich Johnson would have and Jae would be in the same mess.

Rich Johnson was the first guy to tell King he messed up. Johnson knew Lee had already distanced himself from CG before this TK stuff.

[Godlike13]

This confuses me. What’s the big issue here? King wanted to preemptively distance himself from anything CG, Lee did a cover for CG. Misunderstandings were bound to happen. Everyone just wants and needs to be on the right side of things these days that it can blind them.

[Anthony W]

Man, DC really needs some kind of social media policy. Tom King ruined their Comic Con.

[achilles]

Man, DC really needs some kind of social media policy. Tom King ruined their Comic Con.

This whole thing leaves me with a warm and fuzzy feeling about the CIA. Evidently, policy there must be, hear something, don't look into it, take it as gospel no matter what the vague source, publish it or otherwise act on unverified intelligence, then lie about it when caught out. Oh yes, and constantly tell everyone you're a spy.

[Agent Z]

Jae making a cover for EVS/Comicsgate is how we got here, if he didn't do this commission we wouldn't be talking about it. That's the lightning rod which is why Jae fears rising his career over. Did you read the tweet which did this? It's in a post I wrote upthread.

Yeah I did. I still stand by my argument that King is the one to blame.

He only distanced himself after King bought it up, and this was an inevitable reaction. If King hadn't had done this, someone like Rich Johnson would have and Jae would be in the same mess.

Johnson was the one who told King Lee wasn't with Comicsgate in the first place.

He's not the only one who failed to do his research.

Actually he is because Lee had distanced himself from Comicsgate after finding out who they were.

Which King was wrong about, except he didn't just get that from nowhere. EVS used that cover to make that look like it was true. King falsely got that impression from a tweet about that cover from EVS, which connected Jae with Comicsgate. King didn't just blurt this out at random.

And yet, we're still having this argument about how Lee is to blame.

Not in this discussion they haven't. In your first paragraph you relegated his actions to being irrelevant on this subject. EVS is the one who commissioned Jae Lee and linked that cover to Comicsgate, what did you think he was going to do with a cover like that? Not in here they haven't. King's allegation is far more of a concern than EVS is, and he's the one who lined Jae to Comicsgate before King arrived.

The call out Van Sciver for this, don't victim blame the guy who was caught up in this and was

It's about professionals making sure they're not linked to hate groups, since its bad for business.

You know what else is bad for business? Making false accusations about a colleague without even doing your due research to see if they're guilty of the thing you're accusing them of.

EVS bought Jae into it, and there are numerous fans and creators who don't have the privilege to ignore it. Gail Simone's had to live with this resistance, even if it wasn't called Comicsgate in its infancy, since she started her career in comics.

So Lee should be punished for Comicsgate's antics?

[Godlike13]

What accusations are false?

[DragonPiece]

Man, DC really needs some kind of social media policy. Tom King ruined their Comic Con.

Trust me, no one will be talking about tom king when DC Fandomme starts up. We'll be too distracted by all the big announcements.