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    Quote Originally Posted by Nite-Wing View Post
    joe public has now upfront and confidently told DC what they want?
    Can you imagine what DC's line would look like if they used popular consensus for all their decisions?

    They can leave the rest of the DC characters at the door
    Honestly they should just do that. Only publish Bat books. Sell the rights to the other characters to other companies, or at least license them out. Seems like that’s where we’re headed! Tired of the BCU!

    Edit: GA votes based on what they know not what is good. Promote your other characters more, for a good amount of time, and those characters will grow in popularity. Content must be good though
    Done with DC. Can't handle the constant whiplash! Time to go on a hiatus!

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    Quote Originally Posted by El_Gato View Post
    Honestly they should just do that. Only publish Bat books. Sell the rights to the other characters to other companies, or at least license them out. Seems like that’s where we’re headed! Tired of the BCU!

    Edit: GA votes based on what they know not what is good. Promote your other characters more, for a good amount of time, and those characters will grow in popularity. Content must be good though
    Yeah, seems to be the only option left with all the promotion of Batman and the negligence towards all the characters that don't belong to Batbooks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El_Gato View Post
    Honestly they should just do that. Only publish Bat books. Sell the rights to the other characters to other companies, or at least license them out. Seems like that’s where we’re headed! Tired of the BCU!

    Edit: GA votes based on what they know not what is good. Promote your other characters more, for a good amount of time, and those characters will grow in popularity. Content must be good though
    This is not true
    Joe Public does not blindly flock to what is put in front of them
    TV and Movies have ratings and box office that correlate to what interests them for example GOT became the biggest tv show running on HBO because it was shoved in front of them but it also was the most pirated show of all time. That type of demand is not mirrored in comics
    Comic books have sales
    These polls are essentially a social experiment and one of the first times DC has ever tried to gauge interest from a social media platform.
    Its clear the non hardcore fans love bat characters like harley and the robins because they have either grown up with those characters or are simply unfamiliar with the other picks

    In literature
    You have dimestore obscure novels from authors that have gone back decades but then you also have the popular books that generate buzz
    Readers flock to one more than the other but there is still an audience for the former. DC just needs to come up with a fair way to concilidate all of their secondary characters because its clear as day to me that a lot of them are just not going to appeal to a massive fanbase like the batman characters

    Look at the demand for the Batman/Fortnite crossover do you think the demand would be the same if it were Superman or Wonder Woman instead of batman characters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by El_Gato View Post
    . . . Edit: GA votes based on what they know not what is good. Promote your other characters more, for a good amount of time, and those characters will grow in popularity. Content must be good though
    Quote Originally Posted by Johnrevenge View Post
    Yeah, seems to be the only option left with all the promotion of Batman and the negligence towards all the characters that don't belong to Batbooks.
    I guess DC bringing in Brian Bendis and giving him control of the Superman line of books was specifically intended to downgrade the Superman franchise?

    I'm sure DC would love to have other characters sell better, but it's not as easy to do as some fanboys seem to think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MajorHoy View Post
    I guess DC bringing in Brian Bendis and giving him control of the Superman line of books was specifically intended to downgrade the Superman franchise?

    I'm sure DC would love to have other characters sell better, but it's not as easy to do as some fanboys seem to think.
    The large amount of batbooks announced every day seems to show that DC is more interested in selling only batman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnrevenge View Post
    The large amount of batbooks announced every day seems to show that DC is more interested in selling only batman.
    Or, "The large amount of batbooks announced every day seems to show that DC feels more people want to buy books about batman".

    Of course, DC could cut down on the number of Bat-books they offer and instead focus on characters that historically haven't sold as well. Yeah, that sounds like a smart, profitable plan for the company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dietrich View Post
    Please stop this. Grayson was written by two writers.

    Your choice to selectively pick and choose who demonise says more about you and your bias.

    Deliberately Calling out Seeley whilst ignoring King [the other half of the Grayson title] speaks volumes about your bias.


    Objectification is common place in comics esp with the female characters. It's not cool but it's a very common thing in comics.

    You are mad? You want to name and shame creators who you think are problematic? That's your choice but be Honest, be fair.

    Stop this.
    Uhh lmao it slipped my mind that King was co-writing. Ok both Seeley AND King suck for doing/being complicit in doing that to Dick. King's involvement doesn't give Seeley the clean chit though, neither does the backward thinking of "let's leave the Grayson team alone because it is soo common anyway somebody else would have done it".

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    Comics books are just a small piece of the pie
    We’re seeing a lot of dc character in live action and animation
    Yes we get multiple Batman films but aside from his villains and him
    The actual batfamily does not appear as much

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rac7d* View Post
    Comics books are just a small piece of the pie
    We’re seeing a lot of dc character in live action and animation
    Yes we get multiple Batman films but aside from his villains and him
    The actual batfamily does not appear as much
    Not in live action movies but Robin has prominently been on TV/streaming/animated movies almost continuously since the 90's. The Teen Titans fanbase is probably DC's second biggest casual fan crowd after the Bat hordes, and a Titans title may have won this Round Robin if it had been included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Confuzzled View Post
    Not in live action movies but Robin has prominently been on TV/streaming/animated movies almost continuously since the 90's. The Teen Titans fanbase is probably DC's second biggest casual fan crowd after the Bat hordes, and a Titans title may have won this Round Robin if it had been included.
    Yes Robin appear frequently batgirl Alfred catwoman.

    The rest not so much
    The bat family is enormous and has become what the X-men are to marvel

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    Quote Originally Posted by El_Gato View Post
    The Bat brats and Hot Topics mascot are winning there? No surprise! I mean it’s not like The Suicide Squad don’t already have an ongoing, an upcoming mini, an upcoming movie and an upcoming video game! It’s not like the Robins are all MiA in comics and don’t have appearances...

    IG shows mainstream votes by what they know. They know Harley, they don’t know Jaime... go figure! Sucks but whatever
    Harley's not even in the Suicide Squad book any more.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dthirds3 View Post
    If the books are this far along why not just give us all of them ?
    They probably WILL. The winner gets a six issue mini. The rest could be used as back-ups, in anthologies such as Batman Urban Legends, or in the Let Them Live book, and could easily be shortened. If they've paid for art, it's likely they'll use it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nite-Wing View Post
    Look at the demand for the Batman/Fortnite crossover do you think the demand would be the same if it were Superman or Wonder Woman instead of batman characters?
    Yes. It's Fortnite, not Batman, prompting most of that book's sales, as it contains a code for special game content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Confuzzled View Post
    Yes. I wish people had made some noise about that. I'm so sick of the "Dick's so hott, horny women assault him for the lulz" recurring theme. It's the third time something similar has happened after Mirage in the 80's and Tarantula in the 00's straight up raped him.
    Did the schoolgirls actually assault him? I do remember when they chased after him on the rooftops if I remember right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Confuzzled View Post
    Yes. I wish people had made some noise about that. I'm so sick of the "Dick's so hott, horny women assault him for the lulz" recurring theme. It's the third time something similar has happened after Mirage in the 80's and Tarantula in the 00's straight up raped him.
    It's the double standard in the industry and Dick is a sex symbol, they barely started taking that stuff towards women seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nite-Wing View Post
    joe public has now upfront and confidently told DC what they want?
    Looking at how this is going, people sadly have no right to complain about too many Bat books anymore when DC gives them the option to choose something else and they don't show up for it.
    A LIMITED group of folks.

    Not everyone has Twitter nor Instagram.

    Also of those who VOTED-how many will show up to BUY said book?

    What comic book stores did they go to? None.

    Yes folks have every right to go off on DC. What is the point of Star Girl and others being in tv and movies and IF you get folks interested enough to want to read about them-there is nothing to read?

    Marvel did not settle on JUST having Iron Man and friends in movies-what else did they do? Tossed them in books.
    And what happened? Every Black Panther related book DOMINATED trades sales beating everyone including BATMAN. Same with X-Men, Thanos, Cap America, Truth and so on.

    It's not just about Batman.

    25 out of 31 top 100 super hero trades are Batman related on Amazon. Marvel has 27 and 15 different franchises are represented.

    The top females are Harley, Kamala Khan, Carol Danvers and Jane Foster. The later 3 have STAYED in the top 100 for years. What does that say about the women of DC?

    Marvel and Invincible rule Kindle Universe. DC only has 11 of the top 100. 6 are Bat family.
    24 Marvel characters are represented-FF, Heroes Reborn, Hellions, Enternals, Black Panther, Empyre, Avengers, Thor, Jane Foster, Miles, Peter, Thanso, GOTG, Carol, Kamala, Falcon, Winter Soldier, Strange Academy, X-Men, X-23 and Hulk.

    What is Kamal Khan doing to STAY a top selling book on Amazon for now 10 straight years. Same with Carol & Jane Foster. With as many HATE movements those 3 have attracted.
    As HORRIBLE a job Coates has done to NOT just Black Panther but Cap America-his books are beating up DC too in trades.

    What are they doing that CAN'T be done with Hal Jordan? Wonder Woman? Flash (a book NOT named Flashpoint)?

    No one is saying dump Batman. But DC has to look big picture. You can't keep ignoring everyone else or doing as LITTLE as you can.

    It should not be Batman sells and is number one. If number 2-10 is not a DC character NOT under Batman banner-we got an issue. I don't care if number 2 is Invincible, The Boys, Cap America Falcon, Static, Spawn or Red Sonja. If it's not a DC OWNED property there should be a need to be concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyvolt2000 View Post
    A LIMITED group of folks.

    Not everyone has Twitter nor Instagram.

    Also of those who VOTED-how many will show up to BUY said book?

    What comic book stores did they go to? None.

    Yes folks have every right to go off on DC. What is the point of Star Girl and others being in tv and movies and IF you get folks interested enough to want to read about them-there is nothing to read?

    Marvel did not settle on JUST having Iron Man and friends in movies-what else did they do? Tossed them in books.
    And what happened? Every Black Panther related book DOMINATED trades sales beating everyone including BATMAN. Same with X-Men, Thanos, Cap America, Truth and so on.

    It's not just about Batman.

    25 out of 31 top 100 super hero trades are Batman related on Amazon. Marvel has 27 and 15 different franchises are represented.

    The top females are Harley, Kamala Khan, Carol Danvers and Jane Foster. The later 3 have STAYED in the top 100 for years. What does that say about the women of DC?

    Marvel and Invincible rule Kindle Universe. DC only has 11 of the top 100. 6 are Bat family.
    24 Marvel characters are represented-FF, Heroes Reborn, Hellions, Enternals, Black Panther, Empyre, Avengers, Thor, Jane Foster, Miles, Peter, Thanso, GOTG, Carol, Kamala, Falcon, Winter Soldier, Strange Academy, X-Men, X-23 and Hulk.

    What is Kamal Khan doing to STAY a top selling book on Amazon for now 10 straight years. Same with Carol & Jane Foster. With as many HATE movements those 3 have attracted.
    As HORRIBLE a job Coates has done to NOT just Black Panther but Cap America-his books are beating up DC too in trades.

    What are they doing that CAN'T be done with Hal Jordan? Wonder Woman? Flash (a book NOT named Flashpoint)?

    No one is saying dump Batman. But DC has to look big picture. You can't keep ignoring everyone else or doing as LITTLE as you can.

    It should not be Batman sells and is number one. If number 2-10 is not a DC character NOT under Batman banner-we got an issue. I don't care if number 2 is Invincible, The Boys, Cap America Falcon, Static, Spawn or Red Sonja. If it's not a DC OWNED property there should be a need to be concerned.
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