Originally Posted by
Zeeguy91
Of course people are hankering for a modern take, but that doesn't mean changing fundamental and core aspects of the character to suit that. Again, the MCU did not change Steve Rogers to make his movies beloved. Steve is very much the "dad" of the Marvel Universe, both in the comics and movies, just like Superman is the "dad" of the DC Universe in the comics. The only difference is that DC, from time to time, feels they need to strip Superman of that position, his age, his personality and make him angsty to make him relevant. That is a mistake.
I'm failing to see how fight scenes have much to do with what we're talking about? I mean, the comics and movies have always shown Superman kicking ass. That's never changed and its not going to change. I don't think the thing that was wrong with BvS was the fight scenes. But of course, Superman's fight scenes are not going to be the same thing as Captain America's fight scenes, just by the very nature of the character, unless you're proposing stripping him of his powers.
But, also, I don't see how a classic Superman couldn't tackle those issues. He does in the comics. All the time. I mean, this was the same guy who was made into an enemy of the state by Lex Luthor and resisted the DCU's equivalent of the Iraq War. Superman is alwasy relevant because he's looked at as the world's preeminent superhero, a beloved savior in the vein of Captain America.
We don't need an angsty Superman like New 52 Superman in order for his movies to have an edge. Although, in all honesty, trying to be too angsty is what has been dragging the DCEU films down.
I've been reading Superman for years before the New 52. I know the history. New 52 Superman was OOC.
Except, they seem to be missing the core idea of Superman. The New 52 did NOT capture the core identity of Superman, namely that he was a hero, not a bully. Also, they didn't really alter the Marvel heroes too much. The Marvel heroes have always had a strong, mostly consistent persona. Batman too, believe it or not. And I'd actually that consistency is much more appealing to the general public than the opposite.
That's a gross oversimplification. The classic Superman is the same Superman who resisted an unjust war, denounced his American citizenship, was made into a public enemy of the state, etc.
And again, Captain America literally wears the American flag colors with a giant A for America on his forehead and is made fun of in one of the Avengers movies for not cursing. If he can sell movies and be beloved with that personality, I don't see how its such a stretch for Superman, the original comics "dad", to have the same thing.
ANY superhero movie would crush it at the box office if well made, whether the film featured classic Superman or not. The idea that classic Superman needs to be fundamentally altered to appeal to the general masses is such a fallacy, repeated by those who don't understand the character. And yes, we do know that people want a brighter Superman because they told us that they do!!
Not really. At least, not anymore than other characters. But there's also a lot of examples where Superman gets the upper hand on Batman.