Tynion is a declared Tim fanboy and he recieve more attention than the others, so people that don't like him or just aren't that interested on him feel annoyed by his strong presence on the book, specially Batman fans that feel that he is been used as a prop for the other characthers. Doesn't help that the whole Mr Oz thing didn't pay off at the end.
Last edited by TheCape; 05-04-2018 at 08:24 PM.
The worf effect has been real with Batman. But its fine to use him as a prop. Wouldnt say its been for other characters tho (every other character has, at some point, been used as a prop as well). Its been to amp the threats to make a team necessary in the first place. Without this what would be the point of a team book? to have a bunch of assistants?
The batman of the 90s needed a Robin, he also often needed a Nightwing, he needed an Oracle.
Also i believe theres a second reason, they have been trying to humanize Bruce, show his weakness, this is good, he is a human, he should make mistakes, he should be overwhelmed. And Tynion has made him look far more intelligent on Detective than King has on Batman.
Many people don't like the idea of Batman being jobbed for the sake of his soldiers or playing the archetypal "father" role of the team or the batfamily criticize him for his actions because is kind of an overused cliche for many and that they are sucking from his popularity. Others just don't like the idea of sharing Tec with other sidekicks when this is usually a Batman book. I don't neceseraly agreed with all then,.but i can understand their point
As for inteligence, i don't know, i haven't seen anything impressive in that regard beetween Tynion and King's run,
How will a story ever have any kind of tension if the threat isnt real. I dont think its for the sake of "his soldiers", just for the sake of the story as a whole. Azrael gets destroyed at the start to present an unknown threat. Batman Gets overwhelmed to raise the stakes but at the same time it shows us that batman probably planned it all along, showing us how smart, prepared and devoted to the cause he really is. I dont think anyone in this forum picked up on this, they probably complained when batman got beaten but never praised Tynion once it got resolved.
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Ninja Jason and Tim
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"There's room in our line of work for hope, too." Stephanie Brown
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I know this isn't the place, but what the heck happened to Steph's thread??
Also Miller, that fic you recommended...gosh - I died with the discussion between Tim and Steph in the last chapter
Yeesh, hopefully that thread can be restored in full.
Mega fan of: Helena Bertinelli (pre-52), Batwoman, Birds of Prey, Guardians of the Galaxy, Secret Six
Fan of: Batman, Cassandra Cain, Wonder Woman, Silk, Stephanie Brown, Captain America, Hellcat, Renee Montoya, Gotham Central, King Shark
Quasi-Fan of: Aquaman, Midnighter, Superman, Catwoman, Nightwing, Green Arrow, Squadron Supreme, Red Hood
Other likes: Low, Hush, Arkham Asylum: ASHoSE, Watchmen, A-Force, Bombshells, Grayson, Unfollow
Team Cap (both Rogers and Danvers)
"We're the same thing, you and I. We're both lies that eventually became the truth." Lara Notsil, Star Wars: X-Wing: Solo Command, Aaron Allston
"All that is not eternal is eternally out of date." C. S. Lewis, The Four Loves
"There's room in our line of work for hope, too." Stephanie Brown
Stephanie Brown Wiki, My Batman Universe Reviews, Stephanie Brown Discord
What would be a good new name for Tim?
Anyone? anyone?