Birds of Prey Reactions

[The Cool Thatguy]

Understand: I had no set desire to see Cass as Batgirl in this film.

But there’s something wrong if you’ve got a movie with a John Wick stunt coordinator, and Cassandra Cain, yet those two facts have nothing to do with each other.

I might see the movie in part so I can tie it into my Shadow of the Batgirl review on YouTube, as a kind of “Here’s at least one area where the film could undoubtedly have done better.”

Yeah, WTF? Cass could have been an amazing foil for the rest of the team, full on wild child.

I swear, DC acts like its ashamed it takes from comics. Remove Canary's sonic scream, used once, and how is this movie not just a rehashed Charlie's Angels?

[Colossus1980]

Yeah, WTF? Cass could have been an amazing foil for the rest of the team, full on wild child.

I swear, DC acts like its ashamed it takes from comics. Remove Canary's sonic scream, used once, and how is this movie not just a rehashed Charlie's Angels?

I'm going to guess due to budget constraints one Canary cry was the max allowed. Reminds me of how Fox was petrified to show Colossus armour up due to costs in X-Men 2 and only had him for a few seconds. Probably wanted to save costs on Cass by not hiring trainers and stunt coordinators for action scenes.

[The Cool Thatguy]

I'm going to guess due to budget constraints one Canary cry was the max allowed. Reminds me of how Fox was petrified to show Colossus armour up due to costs in X-Men 2 and only had him for a few seconds. Probably wanted to save costs on Cass by not hiring trainers and stunt coordinators for action scenes.

Arrow has used the canary cry, I'm sure it doesn't cost that much

[Frontier]

I don't mind the movie but there is no way this Cass becomes the one in the comics.

There's no reason that Cassandra can't be kidnapped and trained by David Cain right after the events of this movie.

Short of being brainwashed and completely broken down, I also don't really see a comic-accurate Cass in this version's future.

Movie Cassandra should have been Misfit.

Misfit, Sin, Steph Brown, hell, Harper Row or literally any female from 'We are Robin'.

There were a lot of different, and more appropriate, choices for the teen sidekick in this movie.

1. It was an absolute blast, it was so much fun and I love it. Everyone who hasn't should go see it right now. This movie knows exactly what it’s about and what it’s trying to be, and it is that thing the whole way through. It’s an amoral roller coaster ride of joyous violence and sociopathic humor and I am HERE for it. It’s everything I wanted Suicide Squad to be back in 2016, and that Suicide Squad utterly failed to deliver on.

This doesn't sound good to me as a BoP fan .

The Arrowverse also featured a comic accurate Black Canary as well for a time.

Which one ?

I feel like, if they wanted a Harley Quinn and a team of Gotham Girls film, why wouldn’t you make a Gotham Sirens film? Poison Ivy and Catwoman both have anti-heroic histories older than Harley’s, are also rule breaking rebels, and have a better established rapport with Harley. Heck, Black Mask is even Catwoman’s traditional archnemesis! And if they wanted a Birds of Prey film, juts make a Birds of Prey film.

I still feel like the tone and style of this film is more in-line with the Sirens then the BoP.

I'm going to guess due to budget constraints one Canary cry was the max allowed. Reminds me of how Fox was petrified to show Colossus armour up due to costs in X-Men 2 and only had him for a few seconds. Probably wanted to save costs on Cass by not hiring trainers and stunt coordinators for action scenes.

Arrow has used the canary cry, I'm sure it doesn't cost that much

Yeah, I don't think the Canary Cry is that FX heavy compared to other powers.

[Matt]

The canary cry was used only at the end because it matched Dinah's character arc - overcoming the trauma caused by the death (perceived betrayal) of her mother. She didn't want to use it and was forced to out of necessity. If she'd used it more, it wouldn't have worked for her backstory and personality.

Cassandra was changed, I assume, because having a non-verbal protagonist in an ensemble action film would have been quite difficult to pull off. You'd need to dedicate more spotlight on the character to adequately convey emotions and motivations - and it's already a quite crowded film. Anything added to Cass would have meant taking it from another character and upset the relatively balanced screen time that we got.
Sure, I would have loved to see comic book accurate Cassandra Cain in the film (god knows, I think Cass is still the best Batgirl) but such a move would have been a mistake for this film.

[Frontier]

The canary cry was used only at the end because it matched Dinah's character arc - overcoming the trauma caused by the death (perceived betrayal) of her mother. She didn't want to use it and was forced to out of necessity. If she'd used it more, it wouldn't have worked for her backstory and personality.

I see (although I prefer a Dinah who enjoys her Cry).

Cassandra was changed, I assume, because having a non-verbal protagonist in an ensemble action film would have been quite difficult to pull off. You'd need to dedicate more spotlight on the character to adequately convey emotions and motivations - and it's already a quite crowded film. Anything added to Cass would have meant taking it from another character and upset the relatively balanced screen time that we got.
Sure, I would have loved to see comic book accurate Cassandra Cain in the film (god knows, I think Cass is still the best Batgirl) but such a move would have been a mistake for this film.

If they weren't really going to do Cassandra Cain then they probably should have chosen a character who better fit the story they were trying to tell.

[beatboks]

Arrow has used the canary cry, I'm sure it doesn't cost that much

The Canary cry used in arrow is pathetic compared to that of the movie its cost would be a fraction of it. Also BoP only cost what a seasom of arrow would have. Given that they would have had the added cost of Set production (which a TV series doesnt after its pilot, and a pilot costs what a quarter of a season does)

[titanfan]

Saw the movie it was good.

I thought Black Canary was super accurate in terms of personality. (Other than the fact she wasn’t a white woman)

Huntress was kind of comic relief but it played into the pre-BOP loner aspect of the character.

Renee Montoya was also more light hearted but they were accurate with her backstory as well.

Just pretend Cassandra Cain is a new character.

[Monkey Genius]

Watch them make Cassandra Cain become Oracle in the sequel and really stress everyone out.

[kjn]

The first trailers was especially bad. I did like the 2nd trailer.

At one time David Ayer was pegged as director for Gotham City Sirens but he and Warner Bros. seem to have parted ways and Ayer still seems to be bitter about how that Warner Bros. screwed up Suicide Squad.
Gotham City Sirens was the movie that he felt would redeem himself. But when the Harley Quinn solo movie became Margot Robbie's project she opted for doing Birds of Prey instead.

I'm talking about stuff way more basic than trailers. Like how the title of the film was handled.

As for having Gotham City Sirens directed by David Ayer, that's one big nope.

[Marvelgirl]

I saw BoP and rather enjoyed it. Certainly superior to other efforts such as Man of Steel, Justice League or BvS. Not quite Wonder Woman level but still entertaining.

Its the ratio decidendi of it all. Every female comic film now has to be on Wonder Woman's level. Joker's presence in this movie is greatly missed too.

[Adekis]

Genuine question:

Is there a single positive male character in this movie?

I guess there's like, half of one, but this movie is so deliberately amoral that there can hardly be said to be a positive female character either. I think this question is predisposed to be upset, but there's nothing to be upset about. It's a movie about some super-type ladies and an evil crime boss. There's not a whole lot of room for positive male characters, or really any characters outside the main cast and the villain to be that well developed. It's a very tight movie.

[Agent Z]

Edited. I got ninja'd.

[batnbreakfast]

I guess there's like, half of one, but this movie is so deliberately amoral that there can hardly be said to be a positive female character either. I think this question is predisposed to be upset, but there's nothing to be upset about. It's a movie about some super-type ladies and an evil crime boss. There's not a whole lot of room for positive male characters, or really any characters outside the main cast and the villain to be that well developed. It's a very tight movie.

Is it worth watching for Huntress and Black Mask? No spoilers, please

[kjn]

Is it worth watching for Huntress and Black Mask? No spoilers, please

Huntress has a quite small role in the movie (arguably the smallest one among the named characters), but she has some good moments.

Black Mask is a bit trickier but Ewan McGregor does a great job as Roman Sionis the Mob Boss.

Let me put it like this: if you approach this as a girl gang action mob movie, you'll have a grand time.