METAL: I'm tired of Scott Snyder dumbing down the rest of the Justice League

[daBronzeBomma]

Does Marvel have this problem?

Does their #1 selling solo hero (Spider-Man) routinely embarrass and devalue Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, Black Panther, etc?

[Outside_85]

Does Marvel have this problem?

Does their #1 selling solo hero (Spider-Man) routinely embarrass and devalue Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, Black Panther, etc?

Yeah, thats kinda my thing as well, Batman can be awesome without having to take dumps on his fellow heroes.

[Frontier]

It's stuff like this that makes me really appreciate how much Justice League Action doesn't have Batman involved to the expense of the rest of the League.

Does Marvel have this problem?

Does their #1 selling solo hero (Spider-Man) routinely embarrass and devalue Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, Black Panther, etc?

No, actually it's usually the other way around where they have their #1 hero constantly being embarrassed and devalued by other heroes or Spider-People .

[DragonPiece]

Look at it from another point of view. Wouldn't you also be complaining if batman didn't have a plan to take down the league?

[Jokerz79]

Look at it from another point of view. Wouldn't you also be complaining if batman didn't have a plan to take down the league?

Until Tower of Babel I never gave it a thought. I assumed Batman could beat some Leaguers but also get beaten too. I mean today you could never do Knightfall because I don't believe DC would now ever allow to see Batman defeated.

[LifeIsILL]

That's what he does since Morrison and Waid wrote that terrible version of him is more like it.

Batgod is a myth.

Read the entire JLA run from 97 to 2006. You can literally count on one hand the number of times Batman saves/beats the Justice League.

Also the Justice League of America run starting in 2007....he doesn't do crap in most of the stories.

[Dr. Poison]

Look at it from another point of view. Wouldn't you also be complaining if batman didn't have a plan to take down the league?

I'm sure Batman has lots of plans but what about the other Leaguers? Wonder Woman has been trained in combat strategy for decades by the Amazons. Aquaman is king of Atlantis and would probably be required to have contingency plans in place for situations like Metal. Green Lantern(Hal) is the leader of the GL Corps. He should also have some strategies ready for situations like this. Making Batman look like the only smart one on the team on a regular basis makes the rest of the League look like lesser intelligent beings.

[Frontier]

I'm sure Batman has lots of plans but what about the other Leaguers? Wonder Woman has been trained in combat strategy for decades by the Amazons. Aquaman is king of Atlantis and would probably be required to have contingency plans in place for situations like Metal. Green Lantern(Hal) is the leader of the GL Corps. He should also have some strategies ready for situations like this. Making Batman look like the only smart one on the team on a regular basis makes the rest of the League look like lesser intelligent beings.

This reminds me how Thrones of Atlantis established that Arthur had actually helped develop his own contingency plans in Atlantis for taking out the Justice League.

[The Darknight Detective]

No, actually it's usually the other way around where they have their #1 hero constantly being embarrassed and devalued by other heroes or Spider-People .

Which makes no sense business-wise. I doubt that would be the case if they were a distant #2 for a few years.

[The Darknight Detective]

How else would DC move mountains of this stuff?



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Man, I would have salivated over that as a kid, even if it's way over the top.

[The Darknight Detective]

They could just try to tell good stories and not pander to one specific group of fans.

Sure, they could do what is suggested here by some all of the time: they could take the best creative teams away from Batman in order to pander to another character instead. It won't help the bottom line, of course, but...

As a fan of Batman and almost every other DC superhero you could name, I have zero problems with everybody getting to shine (as was the case when I was a kid reading Justice League of America, BTW).

[Outside_85]

Sure, they could do what is suggested here by some all of the time: they could take the best creative teams away from Batman in order to pander to another character instead. It won't help the bottom line, of course, but...

As a fan of Batman and almost every other DC superhero you could name, I have zero problems with everybody getting to shine (as was the case when I was a kid reading Justice League of America, BTW).

Does it help the bottom line to pander to the already spoiled for choice Batman readers I wonder?

[The Darknight Detective]

Does it help the bottom line to pander to the already spoiled for choice Batman readers I wonder?

When he draws in more people to buy comics than the others, then probably yes. Now I know some believe that's only because he has a superior creative team or whatever behind him, but I don't buy it. It helps, sure, but he would bring in a lot more readers than the average bear regardless. That might change in the future (he wasn't #1 when I was a youngster), but it is what it is now.

[TheCape]

No, actually it's usually the other way around where they have their #1 hero constantly being embarrassed and devalued by other heroes or Spider-People .

So true

[Outside_85]

When he draws in more people to buy comics than the others, then probably yes.

But thats the question, does he draw in more readers for this? Or is it just all the people over from the Bat-pool of readers thats buying this? I mean the ultimate goal should be to draw in new readers, not just move the existing pool of readers around a bit.