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    Quote Originally Posted by ExodusCloak View Post
    He's not shown to be hurt at all. She's flying hence why is said artistic perspective.

    Omega is conclusively disabled by Polaris
    there are at the same level after she hit him and he resisted here:




    how is he now knees bent and looking towards the ground here if he isn't falling?



    and omega screams when hit by Polaris there is nothing to indicate she took him out . the same is true of blob.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devaishwarya View Post
    The mere fact that there's an argument over who battled whom and won - off panel (not to mention, the whole Armour/Kitty/Bishop debacle)...is highly indicative of the vague storytelling overall and...the writers' and artists' actual lack of ability to adequately tell the story, issue to issue, which has been most evident from the very first issue of this rubbish event.
    Agreed. Honestly, the fight scenes have been a total mess in this series. The X-men couldn't stop a mob of a few dozen Madrox dupes in the first issue and they've been ineffective in every battle since then. But suddenly, Jean and Storm can take down Apocalypse and Magneto? I'm going to handwave it that Apocalypse was weak from his imprisonment and Magneto was brainwashed and not fighting properly.

    Anyway, if Armor complains about being stuck in AoA for 1 year, Jean should point out that she spent 13 years in a hellish future world. Did Scott and Jean complain that no one came to rescue them during the Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix?

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    Quote Originally Posted by butterflykyss View Post
    there are at the same level after she hit him and he resisted here:




    how is he now knees bent and looking towards the ground here if he isn't falling?



    and omega screams when hit by Polaris there is nothing to indicate she took him out . the same is true of blob.
    Thats called artistic perspective. They're trying to fit many people on the page. There's no indication Magneto was taken out. And there's still smoke and trees being broken in the background after Storm joins Jean so there's still a fight going on in the background when you see Omegas corpse tossed through a tree so yes Storm would leave the others to regroup with Jean

    This suggests that none of the Horsemen were defeated. A Storm left to help Jean while the others held off the Horsemen which is why there's smoke in the background. Omega Red randomly gets thrown through a tree. And the missing X-Men aren't available to help with Apocalypse

    Also note that Omega Red is disposed of by a background character before Apocalypse attacks so if the missing X-Men were free they would have helped with Apocalypse but they're occupied by something
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    Quote Originally Posted by magenta View Post
    Agreed. Honestly, the fight scenes have been a total mess in this series. The X-men couldn't stop a mob of a few dozen Madrox dupes in the first issue and they've been ineffective in every battle since then. But suddenly, Jean and Storm can take down Apocalypse and Magneto? I'm going to handwave it that Apocalypse was weak from his imprisonment and Magneto was brainwashed and not fighting properly.

    Anyway, if Armor complains about being stuck in AoA for 1 year, Jean should point out that she spent 13 years in a hellish future world. Did Scott and Jean complain that no one came to rescue them during the Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix?
    Armor wasn't complaining specifically about that - she kinda seems to have accepted that the X-men won't come for them.
    The fact that Bishop suddenly DOES show up, alone, after a year, with no apparent way of getting them home, seems to be what gets her angry - It implies that the X-men COULD have come for them, but didn't.
    She has no idea of the time difference.

    Prior to that she seems to have written the X-men's absence off as a side effect of them being "Soldiers", and simply written off as lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness View Post
    Armor wasn't complaining specifically about that - she kinda seems to have accepted that the X-men won't come for them.
    The fact that Bishop suddenly DOES show up, alone, after a year, with no apparent way of getting them home, seems to be what gets her angry - It implies that the X-men COULD have come for them, but didn't.
    She has no idea of the time difference.

    Prior to that she seems to have written the X-men's absence off as a side effect of them being "Soldiers", and simply written off as lost.
    While I think Armor's issue is very clear, that is she takes Bishop showing up alone as no one else caring, she has no real reason to think that is what it means. It is not unusual to only be able to send one person in, especially something that may have proven difficult like reaching whatever timeline/dimension they were sent to, and Bishop is a pretty big gun to send on a rescue mission. It is a problem the writer is at fault for because the reaction from Armor, while understandable, is not really supported by the facts, even from her perspective, as the reader would expect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cranger View Post
    While I think Armor's issue is very clear, that is she takes Bishop showing up alone as no one else caring, she has no real reason to think that is what it means. It is not unusual to only be able to send one person in, especially something that may have proven difficult like reaching whatever timeline/dimension they were sent to, and Bishop is a pretty big gun to send on a rescue mission. It is a problem the writer is at fault for because the reaction from Armor, while understandable, is not really supported by the facts, even from her perspective, as the reader would expect.
    The writting problems with how Armor is presented here is even more deep - why is she suddenly the one who's all gung-ho about killing Nate, when she was the one defending him until this point.
    Why is she the one who dismisses the idea of the X-men saving them when she was trying to convince Nate that his "nobody cares about anyone" attitude is wrong.
    The other kids also make a similar switch from last issue to this one, but Armor gets more speaking time so her writing issues are more glaring.

    I'm at least glad they addressed the fact that Armor's being lectured about how killing is wrong by BISHOP of all people is hilariously hypocritical - though they still make her look bitchy for pointing it out.

    Seriously, I'm getting annoyed at the 3 writers thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magenta View Post
    Anyway, if Armor complains about being stuck in AoA for 1 year, Jean should point out that she spent 13 years in a hellish future world. Did Scott and Jean complain that no one came to rescue them during the Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix?
    I don't think Jean would ever make that complaint. While they may not have signed up to go there, that time spent raising Cable was well worth the time in that future, especially to Jean. I think Magik has a better retort of Limbo for years than this example.

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    So instead of complaining that the art and story aren't consistent and has left MASSIVE holes in the plot/story you're going to argue with each other over what you THINK happened off panel?

    Why can't people blame the writers/artists for stuff like this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteQueenEmmaFrost View Post
    So instead of complaining that the art and story aren't consistent and has left MASSIVE holes in the plot/story you're going to argue with each other over what you THINK happened off panel?

    Why can't people blame the writers/artists for stuff like this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triniking1234 View Post
    Stockholm's
    Quick to blame the puppet, but not the puppeteer who controls the actions/movements/words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triniking1234 View Post
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    That reply goes so well with your avatar...lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by LordAllMIghty View Post
    That reply goes so well with your avatar...lol
    exactly boo, exactly lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Handsome men don't lose fights View Post
    You're forgetting that Cyclops refused to let Wanda reverse the decimation out of spite and instead put his faith in a genocidal magical firebird known for its intemperance and mood swings as the means to best put things right. He was desperate and frayed towards the end.
    Speaking of.... what was with the two strike through messages on the “letters page”?

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    Quote Originally Posted by magenta View Post
    Agreed. Honestly, the fight scenes have been a total mess in this series. The X-men couldn't stop a mob of a few dozen Madrox dupes in the first issue and they've been ineffective in every battle since then. But suddenly, Jean and Storm can take down Apocalypse and Magneto? I'm going to handwave it that Apocalypse was weak from his imprisonment and Magneto was brainwashed and not fighting properly.

    Anyway, if Armor complains about being stuck in AoA for 1 year, Jean should point out that she spent 13 years in a hellish future world. Did Scott and Jean complain that no one came to rescue them during the Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix?
    It reminds me of the cartoons of the 80's, where the good guys get trounced 4 days of the weekly arc, only to win on day 5. Lose the 3/4 of a Two episode arc, then pull out a win...

    Terrible writing is strong in this title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danielsan52 View Post
    Speaking of.... what was with the two strike through messages on the “letters page”?
    "Oh, wait. Wanda and Pietro aren't mutants anymore. Let's make a not-so subtle joke about that!"
    Quote Originally Posted by The General, JLA #38
    'Why?' Just to see the disappointment on your corn-fed, gee-whiz face, Superman. And because a great dark voice on the edge of nothing spoke to me and said you all had to die. There is no 'Why?'

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