I'm gonna have to file "Villain Emma Frost was Candace Owens" under "Super Bad Takes".
I'm gonna have to file "Villain Emma Frost was Candace Owens" under "Super Bad Takes".
"Cable was right!"
Villain Emma Frost at least genuinely cared about her students and her motivation for gaining power and wealth was to have resources to protect those students from a world that wanted to annihilate them from existence. That said, when her methods failed to keep her students safe, to say nothing of alive, that was when she threw in her lot with Charles Xavier and the X-Men in the hopes that linking up with them would provide a better path for other young mutants. Now, someone like Sebastian Shaw, yeah, he never gave a f*** about other mutants; it was all about his own gain, to the point he took up building Sentinels while secretly installing a failsafe to keep himself from being targeted by them.
The spider is always on the hunt.
Probably not for the whole franchise because each author has the freedom to do what they want with the X-men, apparently.
Yes, people can try to change the world. There’s nothing wrong to it. But changing the way people think about a community, a group of people… Think about the ambition. The X-men are mutant and they behave heroically. So there are heroic mutants… It doesn’t negate the fact there are mutant villains, mutant ordinary people…
In some issues, Xavier was seen as wanting to use the X-men as models for every mutant but I remember what said Moira to him: “and if they don’t want to be heroes?”. People are free to behave like they want, even mutants.
As a reader, I trusted the X-men to do the right thing, not to abuse of their powers. And it trusted the villains to abuse of their powers… But it doesn’t say anything about the mutants, this anonymous mass… And I’m reading a comic, I’m not a human of X-men stories, I’m in a safe place.
Certainly, it must be terrible to be born with what can be considered as a weapon, and experiences prejudices because of that. But, first, it’s a just a fiction. And to live peacefully, trust must be built, a dialogue is required where the involved parties eventually will find a common ground. It’s politics. Harder than fighting a villain.
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“Strength is the lot of but a few privileged men; but austere perseverance, harsh and continuous, may be employed by the smallest of us and rarely fails of its purpose, for its silent power grows irresistibly greater with time.” Goethe
Except we know that's not her whole story, and she never truly embraced Xavier's philosophy - her niche on the team is to be then "evil" team mate who will do what others won't. She still is concerned only about herself and manipulating others to get what she wants, like her affair with Cyclops when Jean was alive.
This is where she began, the Hellfire Club's influence one her never truly left.
This is a tactic terrorist groups like the Taliban use too gain new members, join our group or we'll kill your family. She doesn't respect Kitty, she's not proud of being mutant or protecting mutant kind - all that is just a tool to use for power and she'll get that power over mutant bodies. She's progressed by she still was mutant Candace Owens.
Emma was a huge supporter of Sebastian Shaw, thick and thin, for years as an enemy of the X-men. She agreed with his ideology and tactics. Sebastian Shaw is just doing what the Hellfire Club does, they never cared about mutants.
I meeeeeeean not in the 616 tho...
Does Sam Wilson, Cage, or Alex Wilder have giant government sponsored killer robots trying to kill them?
No?
ok.
Doing what others won't? Trying to sleep with a married Summers? How is this different than Wolverine? cept Hes been doing it longer, and she was successful?
Well to be fair its also a supervillain tactic, which isnt surprising since Emma was a supervillian in the panel. Also this one page doesn't hold up anymore, esp vs. the 25+ years shes been one of the strongest advocate for mutant kids in the 616.
I dont think you know who Candace Owens is.
I mean he was pissed about the betrayal with the Sentinels
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Instead they have an army an endless super-villains trying to kill them, some of them literal Nazis like Red Skull. Various Black super-heroes like Black Panther and Falcon have also gone up against the Klan and racist hate groups in Marvel. Cage himself has been a prominent figure fighting against racist discrimination and oppression from the beginnings of his career.
Whenever Wolverine's not around she takes that niche, and he at least admits he's a terrible person who does horrible things she gets off doing that. Yeah. Wolverine was incredibly wrong for doing that, just because he's a man didn't make what he did right. Her succeeding didn't make any of that right. Jean was well within her rights to be angry with Emma when she found out.Doing what others won't? Trying to sleep with a married Summers? How is this different than Wolverine? cept Hes been doing it longer, and she was successful?
Which is why her behaviour as a super-villain shouldn't be sugar coated. Emma has progressed but she's far from being Jean Grey ethically. It frankly remarkable how easily she was forgiven and continues to do ethically questionable things as an X-man. She's also one of the few mutant super-villains who willing threatened potential students families and wanted to sacrifice mutant bodies for power. That's evil. And she's hardly gotten rid of her tendencies to throw others under the bus to get what she wants, she's just transferred that onto non-mutants.Well to be fair its also a supervillain tactic, which isnt surprising since Emma was a supervillian in the panel. Also this one page doesn't hold up anymore, esp vs. the 25+ years shes been one of the strongest advocate for mutant kids in the 616.
Of course I do. Emma Frost's worse than she is as a super-villain, and Emma's far from alone on that count. Emma's even got the Republican slogan "F** you, got mine" down to an art form.I dont think you know who Candace Owens is.
Emma knew who Shaw was, and what the Hellfire Club stood for. It took years before she started realising she was doing this in the Hellfire Club.I mean he was pissed about the betrayal with the Sentinels
Luke Cage was also falsely imprisoned for a crime he didn't commit, was the target of a racist corrections officer and subjected to experimentation. Yeah, I can say he definitely has it worse than Emma and unlike her, he didn't help fund the very weapon used to target him and people like him.
WHOSE fault is that?Does Sam Wilson, Cage, or Alex Wilder have giant government sponsored killer robots trying to kill them?
WHOSE fault that story has never been told?
Sam Wilson talks to birds. How many birds or bird related creatures are on this planet?
Flint of the Inhumans-could drop an asteroid on the White House with his powers.
Brother Voodoo deals with the dead.
WHOSE fault is it those stories don't get told? Because one panders to a readership that refuse to believe black folks are worth anything.
Yet when you start looking at various black heroes and villains along with the folks in Wakanda.
Mutants would be the LEAST of a government's worries. Especially if Prodigy, Tag, Darwin, the brothers of NYX & Synch tell the X-Men to screw off since this franchise has issues with black males and join Wakanda.
But that story will never get told under a Marvel banner.
Let's not forget that in Sam's case, he also had to deal with the Americops, a privatized, mechanized police force that was basically a way for his writer, Nick Spencer, to take on the issue of black American neighborhoods being aggressively, (perhaps) even repressively hyper-policed without necessarily having to directly indict the NYPD in-universe or in real life.
The spider is always on the hunt.