X-Men '97: The Animated Series

[TheDeadSpace]

Looking forward to the show, but with Norm Spencer's and David Hemblen's passing, I'm not as excited.

May the show honor them well.

[shooshoomanjoe]

I completely misunderstood this. I didn't get why people were so excited of bringing back this series because I thought they were just going to rerun the same episodes. But nope, they are all new episodes, picked up from the last episode of the '90s series and it's going to be in the MCU expanded universe. Now I'm excited too.

[Spideyvinnegar]

So I guess it'll take almost one whole year until we have some relevant news about the plot, timeline etc right ?

[Grunty]

Something like Krakoa would be a hard sell yeah, and I doubt it'd be adapted like the way it is now, it most likely would be more like Genosha, or Utopia or whatever, basically, allowing mutant villains to still be villains.

I don't necessarily think stories we have in the comics now will never be adapted, but they are far less likely to happen, since adaptations are always about making money, usual X-Men are a safe bet, Krakoa is not.

But unlikely doesn't mean impossible, so hey, maybe someday, like, 50 years from now when some director is nostalgic of the Krakoa era lol.

Definetly possible yes. Maybe not even 20 years.

However i think there are two vital things to consider here.

One is that the current status quo is still ongoing. So nobody can tell how well the overall opinion on it will be years from now, which is always extremly risky, compared to adapating things which might be older but have proven their worth (positively or negatively).

Even picking up a badly recieved finished storyline is saver, because of how it's mistakes can be avoided, than to adapt something which is still ongoing.

The other thing to consider is that the whole radical different status quo worked for the comic readers at first because of how it used 50 years of continuity and especialy 20 years of mostly bleak state of things in the Marvel Universe, as justification for heavily altering it and characters to suit it's story.

Basicly any change was better than a repeat of the previous extinction stories.

Something which doesn't necessarily apply to the popular image of the X-men, because to most casual fans the X-men seem to exist in a certain state of where they are, who they are and how they get there. Which doesn't involve anything of what we see in the current comic status quo. The moment the X-men entered wider pop culture their potential for radical progression was finished (at least for the original heros).

A static image sure, but also combined with an audience that is much more open towards alternate takes and even progression towards something new, because the default state remains as fall back for different new takes.

Meanwhile the comics exist in a state where things remain clearly visible static (the same characters remaining the main characters even if they have nowhere to go anymore), while a perpetual continuity insist that it's a progressing world. Creating a different sensibility towards the franchise than the wider audience which does not read the comics (and can't easily get into them).

So something which works for the comic readers, will likely work differently if not at all for the wider audience.

Krakoa can work in adapations, no doubt, but not as THE status quo and it will likely go through some heavy alteration beforehand to fit into a much lighter continuity.

Heh, guess grass is greener on the other side, 'cause Spidey's getting another high school adaptation, one that is MCU canon even (for now at least), and the response to it is, mixed, well, at least in this website, dunno how more casual fans are reacting.

From what i see, the reaction is generaly favorable and accepting of it. Because it's a new take on one of several familiar status quos for an established hero.

It should also be noted that both the animated series of the 90's and the first movie trilogy of the early 2000's, which did a major part in bringing in a whole generation of casual fans, did not even feature Peter Parker in high school. In both version there was much more focus on him being a young adult university student.

Which means that the modern casual audience allready has two alternate takes on Spiderman as equal fitting settings for the character, which they seemingly embraced with no issue. High schooler vs. adult university student.

Likewise Into the Spiderverse featured two different takes on Peter Parker in different potential states of his life, fully graduated, successfull and dynamic adult super hero vs. washed up jaded but still moraly intact veteran super hero. Also seemingly accepted by the audience with little to no problem.

[bat39]

Definetly possible yes. Maybe not even 20 years.

However i think there are two vital things to consider here.

One is that the current status quo is still ongoing. So nobody can tell how well the overall opinion on it will be years from now, which is always extremly risky, compared to adapating things which might be older but have proven their worth (positively or negatively).

Even picking up a badly recieved finished storyline is saver, because of how it's mistakes can be avoided, than to adapt something which is still ongoing.

The other thing to consider is that the whole radical different status quo worked for the comic readers at first because of how it used 50 years of continuity and especialy 20 years of mostly bleak state of things in the Marvel Universe, as justification for heavily altering it and characters to suit it's story.

Basicly any change was better than a repeat of the previous extinction stories.

Something which doesn't necessarily apply to the popular image of the X-men, because to most casual fans the X-men seem to exist in a certain state of where they are, who they are and how they get there. Which doesn't involve anything of what we see in the current comic status quo. The moment the X-men entered wider pop culture their potential for radical progression was finished (at least for the original heros).

A static image sure, but also combined with an audience that is much more open towards alternate takes and even progression towards something new, because the default state remains as fall back for different new takes.

Meanwhile the comics exist in a state where things remain clearly visible static (the same characters remaining the main characters even if they have nowhere to go anymore), while a perpetual continuity insist that it's a progressing world. Creating a different sensibility towards the franchise than the wider audience which does not read the comics (and can't easily get into them).

So something which works for the comic readers, will likely work differently if not at all for the wider audience.

Krakoa can work in adapations, no doubt, but not as THE status quo and it will likely go through some heavy alteration beforehand to fit into a much lighter continuity.



From what i see, the reaction is generaly favorable and accepting of it. Because it's a new take on one of several familiar status quos for an established hero.

It should also be noted that both the animated series of the 90's and the first movie trilogy of the early 2000's, which did a major part in bringing in a whole generation of casual fans, did not even feature Peter Parker in high school. In both version there was much more focus on him being a young adult university student.

Which means that the modern casual audience allready has two alternate takes on Spiderman as equal fitting settings for the character, which they seemingly embraced with no issue. High schooler vs. adult university student.

Likewise Into the Spiderverse featured two different takes on Peter Parker in different potential states of his life, fully graduated, successfull and dynamic adult super hero vs. washed up jaded but still moraly intact veteran super hero. Also seemingly accepted by the audience with little to no problem.

While with Spider-Man, the tendency has largely been to make him a high-schooler, you're right that him being a college student is the next most popular status quo (largely due to the Raimi movies IMO, though the TAS does still have an impact). Ultimately, it comes down to the Lee/Dikto ''high school'' era and the Lee/Romita ''college'' era being the basis for most adaptations of the character - with a few later elements and characters, most notably the Alien Costume/Venom saga and more recently the likes of Miles Morales, thrown in.

Into the Spiderverse was actually the first major adaptation (barring the TAS I guess) which was ready to show us a grown-up Peter past college who was married to MJ. Then again, the conceit of Into the Spiderverse is that Peter Parker was the original established veteran Spider-Man, and you have high-schooler Miles Morales who's the cool new protagonist.

My point is that people are comfortable with a certain status quo for Spider-Man - young high-schooler (or college student) who fights classic villains like the Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Vulture, Venom etc., works for J Jonah Jameson (though that's increasingly becoming less of a factor) and dates MJ (or sometimes Gwen Stacy). But even if one were to go from there to an older married Peter with another job, it wouldn't be that much of a leap, because Spider-Man as a character and as a concept is pretty simple.

With the X-men, the familiar status quo is the X-men being based at the Mansion, and led by Professor Xavier. The lineups may vary, though usually Cyclops, Wolverine, Storm, and Jean Grey are a given (with Beast, Rogue, Nightcrawler, Iceman, Shadowcat, Colossus, Gambit, Jubilee etc. among the popular options to fill out the team). This is what the vast majority of people who are even aware of the X-men as a franchise and/or have consumed some X-men related media think is the fundamental set-up of the team, and it's what the vast majority of adaptations have gone with. It's what the first major, and possibly the most iconic, adaptation, namely the 90's TAS, went with. Now you can play around with this set-up - having the iconic X-men as teenagers in a world unaware of mutants (X-men Evolution), have the X-men as teachers in a full-blown school for mutant kids (the movies), even stretch it to Xavier mentally time-traveling from the future and appointing Wolverine as his successor instead of Cyclops (you can guess which one this is ) But I think, at this point, something like Krakoa, or even Genosha (or really any status quo from the last 15 years or so) isn't necessarily going to land well with the mass audience. Certainly not if you lead with it.

[Besouro]

The 1990s “X-Men: The Animated Series” is getting a revival on Disney+ with a premiere sometime 2023, TheWrap has exclusively learned.

Currently called “X-Men ’97,” the revival will pick up where the classic show left off, with several cast members from “X-Men: The Animated Series” are returning; some will reprise their original roles and others will step into entirely new roles.

Returning cast members include: Cal Dodd, Lenore Zann, George Buza, Adrian Hough, Christopher Britton, Catherine Disher, Chris Potter, Alison Sealy-Smith, Alyson Court.

“X-Men ‘97” is also welcoming a number of new voices to the cast, including Jennifer Hale, Anniwaa Buachie, Ray Chase, Matthew Waterson, JP Karliak, Holly Chou, Jeff Bennett, AJ LoCascio.

Head writer and executive producer on the series is Beau DeMayo. Supervising director is Jake Castorena and supervising producer is Charley Feldman.

Consulting on the new series are “X-Men: The Animated Series” writers Eric and Julia Lewald, and director Larry Houston.

The original “X-Men: The Animated Series” consisted of 76 episodes that aired across fives seasons between 1992 and 1997. It is currently available on Disney+. The animated series is credited for introducing the Marvel comic team to a mainstream audience, which arguably helped set it up for its 2000 live-action film. That film, starring Patrick Stewart and a then-unknown Hugh Jackman, started the early days of the superhero boom.

Houston first spoke about a possible revival in a 2019 report in The Hollywood Reporter, which said that the creative team was putting together a pitch to continue where the series left off.

https://www.thewrap.com/x-men-97-199...d-series-2023/

Are they continuing the regular Xmen team comics trend of whiteboys with "exotic non-white women" team dynamic?

[Grunty]

Even though i doubt she has much chance to appear even as henchmen or backround character, looking at her maybe cameo in Deadpool, i wonder if anyone would be bothered if they make Marrow a person of color in this or a future cartoon adapation?

C-listers are after all (even more) fair game for the creators to alter in many possible ways. Looking at you Arclight in Wolverine and the X-men.

[ChronoRogue]

Are they continuing the regular Xmen team comics trend of whiteboys with "exotic non-white women" team dynamic?

... What?

[gonnagiveittoya]

Are they continuing the regular Xmen team comics trend of whiteboys with "exotic non-white women" team dynamic?

I mean it's the exact same team as the original series. That's kind of the idea.