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    Quote Originally Posted by dkrook View Post
    Lol bro, don't even get me started! I would say create real stakes, let Shuri go down, Tosin...down! The thought of going back to a Black Panther that has no choice but to go back to focus on the man T'Challa is a notion I'd gladly sacrifice Shuri for.
    I don't mind them keeping Shuri around as long as t hey use her like she is intended to be: a supporting character just like everyone else. Stop trying to replace T'Challa with new characters that no one is going to care about. If anything they can use people like Tosin, Omololo and the rest as Agents of Wakanda, reporting only to T'Challa. They can handle the red shirts while T'Challa deals with the boss characters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marvell2100 View Post
    I don't mind them keeping Shuri around as long as t hey use her like she is intended to be: a supporting character just like everyone else. Stop trying to replace T'Challa with new characters that no one is going to care about. If anything they can use people like Tosin, Omololo and the rest as Agents of Wakanda, reporting only to T'Challa. They can handle the red shirts while T'Challa deals with the boss characters.
    At this point I'ma take a page out of MoS book and say, I would sacrifice 10,000 Wakandan redshirts, have WAKANDA and it's pet characters get punked/ killed, for T'Challa to have some huge Boss moments and a return to focus back on him with status quo restored

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    heads up.

    if you're the sort who looks at solicits, you're going to want to watch out for the one for X-Force #2.

    Never think I'm not thinking about you.

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    UBP#3 is still going strong that book is a legit success

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redjack View Post
    heads up.

    if you're the sort who looks at solicits, you're going to want to watch out for the one for X-Force #2.

    Never think I'm not thinking about you.
    Looking forward to it and already subscribed to the series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redjack View Post
    heads up.

    if you're the sort who looks at solicits, you're going to want to watch out for the one for X-Force #2.

    Never think I'm not thinking about you.
    Bruh! Every intention of putting this on my order list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezyo1000 View Post
    At this point I'ma take a page out of MoS book and say, I would sacrifice 10,000 Wakandan redshirts, have WAKANDA and it's pet characters get punked/ killed, for T'Challa to have some huge Boss moments and a return to focus back on him with status quo restored
    It really doesn't have to be an either or. Priest, Hudlin and Liss had T'Challa in boss mode while having a good supporting cast.

    You aren't going to have a solo without having a supporting cast and that cast should travel from series to series with the occasional new addition. Everything depends on what the writer does with the main character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marvell2100 View Post
    It really doesn't have to be an either or. Priest, Hudlin and Liss had T'Challa in boss mode while having a good supporting cast.

    You aren't going to have a solo without having a supporting cast and that cast should travel from series to series with the occasional new addition. Everything depends on what the writer does with the main character.
    We need a dark reign cleaning house of T'Challas supporting cast at this point otherwise I would normally agree with you. Tosin, omolo, buffalo, the MA, Zenz, changaroo and PM and her assistant can all bite the dust. The supporting cast should be a relatively smart right ground with specific roles to fill, none of which should step into T'Challas lane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezyo1000 View Post
    We need a dark reign cleaning house of T'Challas supporting cast at this point otherwise I would normally agree with you. Tosin, omolo, buffalo, the MA, Zenz, changaroo and PM and her assistant can all bite the dust. The supporting cast should be a relatively smart right ground with specific roles to fill, none of which should step into T'Challas lane.
    That was the problem with the last three solos. Characters were introduced to be a mouthpiece for the writers at the expense of T'Challa. All these characters were there to "teach T'Challa a lesson" or point out some "failure of T'Challa" and that's what the whole run was about. And none of these runs gave T'Challa any moments. No feats, no get back, just lectures.

    That's why we despise these runs. No T'Challa fan wants to read about that isht.

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    The only time I can think of when hiring a writer that didn’t like T’Challa paid off was Priest who disappointed when it was offered. But he understood that he needed to make the character cool and completely misunderstood by readers and the MU resulting in an influential character defining run. Meanwhile modern writers treat him like a problematic obstacle in the way of what they really want to write.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingNomarch View Post
    The only time I can think of when hiring a writer that didn’t like T’Challa paid off was Priest who disappointed when it was offered. But he understood that he needed to make the character cool and completely misunderstood by readers and the MU resulting in an influential character defining run. Meanwhile modern writers treat him like a problematic obstacle in the way of what they really want to write.
    These new writers not only dislike T'Challa, they absolutely despise everything he stands for and his entire being. They are just as bad if not worse than some of the worst white writers that have written him.

    We need Redjack straight up he had a proven track record, he likes T'Challa, and he Will bring him to new heights

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marvell2100 View Post
    That was the problem with the last three solos. Characters were introduced to be a mouthpiece for the writers at the expense of T'Challa. All these characters were there to "teach T'Challa a lesson" or point out some "failure of T'Challa" and that's what the whole run was about. And none of these runs gave T'Challa any moments. No feats, no get back, just lectures.

    That's why we despise these runs. No T'Challa fan wants to read about that isht.
    In hindsight, it really must be asked, who on Galactus's grape flavored earth were these runs for? Long time BP fans? Nope. New fans who saw the movies first? Probably, if they're new comic readers in general, those poor souls don't know any better. The Black Excellence/Blerd crowd? This is the more likely answer, but these folks live on social media, they don't buy comics, and they certainly don't read them, unless they're taking panels for discourse, or watching 3 hour video essays about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Overhazard View Post
    In hindsight, it really must be asked, who on Galactus's grape flavored earth were these runs for? Long time BP fans? Nope. New fans who saw the movies first? Probably, if they're new comic readers in general, those poor souls don't know any better. The Black Excellence/Blerd crowd? This is the more likely answer, but these folks live on social media, they don't buy comics, and they certainly don't read them, unless they're taking panels for discourse, or watching 3 hour video essays about them.
    Don't forget the other group that acts like T'Challa had nothing until SHE showed up and somehow he OWES her for his success.

    All I know is sales stayed the same after a certain event and only went up in Hudlin's run with Avengers and subbing for Fantastic Four took place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marvell2100 View Post
    That was the problem with the last three solos. Characters were introduced to be a mouthpiece for the writers at the expense of T'Challa. All these characters were there to "teach T'Challa a lesson" or point out some "failure of T'Challa" and that's what the whole run was about. And none of these runs gave T'Challa any moments. No feats, no get back, just lectures.

    That's why we despise these runs. No T'Challa fan wants to read about that isht.
    That's why I said a dark reign style purging is needed. No one cares about these characters other than the writers

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    .... all of this really makes me appreciate Youneek Studios and other independents even more.

    It's just superhero comics without the BS and agenda.

    I found myself reading The Oloris and EXO comics and , while not perfect, i know what i'm getting.

    EXO shoots robot cannon fodder and beats the villain without a lecture.

    That's it.

    I pray that company doesn't pivot from their current direction.
    Don't complain. Create.

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