Cassie sandsmark appreciation 2024

[Alpha]

A WonderButch rumination on Cassie's relationship with Femininity from a Lesbian fan's perspective...

I don't have a tumblr account, so I can't upvote you there, but that post is on point



this page is disturbing to me

[Koriand'r]

I prefer Cassie to Donna because I grew up with Cassie. I saw her as the standard Hollywood "ugly duckling becomes a swan" trope seen in so many movies, from "Now Voyager" and "My Fair Lady" to "The Devil Wears Prada". An extreme makeover is something I always enjoy.

However, representation is important.

The plain Jane Walmart cashier look Cassie sports in the latest issues of Wonder Woman could very well be DC moving her towards their version of Ms. Marvel de-glamming to become Captain Marvel. What I see as regression, others see as confirmation and if Cassie is eventually revealed to be a "butch lesbian" like so many of you seem to want, I'm okay with that. You deserve to have your role models too.

It's clear my way of thinking is anachronistic and fans that like what I like are dying out, so maybe it's okay to move on and let other fans get the representation they desire.

[NOCTPHOENIX]

A WonderButch rumination on Cassie's relationship with Femininity from a Lesbian fan's perspective...

It has some valid points but a lot of feels like the authors headcanons and using Cassie as a self insert. Like the so called "evidence" used to say her interest in Kon is comphet is like very weak like trying to use pattern of word choices like mentioning Cissie first then Kon

[Will Evans]

I prefer Cassie to Donna because I grew up with Cassie. I saw her as the standard Hollywood "ugly duckling becomes a swan" trope seen in so many movies, from "Now Voyager" and "My Fair Lady" to "The Devil Wears Prada". An extreme makeover is something I always enjoy.

However, representation is important.

The plain Jane Walmart cashier look Cassie sports in the latest issues of Wonder Woman could very well be DC moving her towards their version of Ms. Marvel de-glamming to become Captain Marvel. What I see as regression, others see as confirmation and if Cassie is eventually revealed to be a "butch lesbian" like so many of you seem to want, I'm okay with that. You deserve to have your role models too.

It's clear my way of thinking is anachronistic and fans that like what I like are dying out, so maybe it's okay to move on and let other fans get the representation they desire.

The ugly duckling into a swan arc, always seemed like her character.
I’m not seeing the butch arc in any of her appearances.

[Alpha]

She wasn't an ugly duckling. She wasn't unhappy with who she was. She was successful and appreciated.

And what the tumblr post points out is that the moments in which she became less happy with where she was in life came when she started being designed as more and more typically feminine

[Thirteen]

I don't have a tumblr account, so I can't upvote you there, but that post is on point

Not my post but I thought it was an extended exploration of that perspective from part of the Queer Wonder Fanbase that was worth a look.

She wasn't an ugly duckling. She wasn't unhappy with who she was. She was successful and appreciated.

And what the tumblr post points out is that the moments in which she became less happy with where she was in life came when she started being designed as more and more typically feminine

Ugly ducklings grow up to be...Ducks.

[Frontier]

She wasn't an ugly duckling. She wasn't unhappy with who she was. She was successful and appreciated.

And what the tumblr post points out is that the moments in which she became less happy with where she was in life came when she started being designed as more and more typically feminine

I prefer the King interpretation.

[marhawkman]

The ugly duckling into a swan arc, always seemed like her character.
I’m not seeing the butch arc in any of her appearances.

Yeah and the Silent Armor look just skips to the Swan part. 'cause wanting to look fab was a major character trait that she had even when she was not even Wonder Girl yet.

She wasn't an ugly duckling. She wasn't unhappy with who she was. She was successful and appreciated.

And what the tumblr post points out is that the moments in which she became less happy with where she was in life came when she started being designed as more and more typically feminine

Yeah.... no. She just hadn't done much that early on... or been in major comics wide events.... Like you can say having her boyfriend die was the worst thing that had happened to her... but... at the same time... Having Kon as her boyfriend was the high point. Kon's death as a low point was BECAUSE of how much she loved him.

[marhawkman]

Ugly ducklings grow up to be...Ducks.

Wrong. The whole point with the "ugly" duckling is that it's ugly... by duck standards... because it's actually a swan.

[Alpha]

Yeah.... no. She just hadn't done much that early on... or been in major comics wide events.... Like you can say having her boyfriend die was the worst thing that had happened to her... but... at the same time... Having Kon as her boyfriend was the high point. Kon's death as a low point was BECAUSE of how much she loved him.

what you wrote isn't a response to what I wrote

She wasn't an ugly duckling. She wasn't unhappy with who she was. She was successful and appreciated.

And what the tumblr post points out is that the moments in which she became less happy with where she was in life came when she started being designed as more and more typically feminine

[marhawkman]

She wasn't an ugly duckling. She wasn't unhappy with who she was. She was successful and appreciated.

Are you sure you're talking about the same girl whose #1 goal in life was to be Superboy's girlfriend?

'cause yeah... that was a plot thread that ran for several years real-time.

Oh hey someone posted that already:

Remembering when Cissie gave Cassie a makeover to impress Kon back in their YOUNG JUSTICE days in WONDER WOMAN #153



LEADING TO ...

[Alpha]

I'm not gonna pretend that I remember that makeover issue, but from the panels posted, it seems like the lesson there is be yourself, don't try to fit in.

[Koriand'r]

I'm not gonna pretend that I remember that makeover issue, but from the panels posted, it seems like the lesson there is be yourself, don't try to fit in.

Nooooo, that's NOT what the message is. The message is, "to catch the big fish, you have to use the right bait". Speaking as a nonconformist you have to set limits, and bow a little for social acceptance.

[OBrianTallent]

Cassie's transformation, for lack of a better word at the moment, is really a natural progression for a lot of girls growing up. They see who they think is pretty and what they consider beautiful and try to emulate that. One of the best real world examples is Dolly Parton. She tells the story of when she was little, there was a woman in her town whom she thought was the perfect example of beauty. She was always dressed just so and had her make up on and her hair done (up real big because that was the fifties) and when Dolly got into the business she began to emulate what she remembered as beautiful. The woman in her town just so happened to be the town prostitute, but Dolly still thought she was amazing. As Dolly has aged and grown, her look has maintained some of that but she's also adjusted and refined her look and style.
Cassie's story is similar to that...she started out dressing in how she thought she looked amazing. As Cassie's character has grown, she's done the same. The main problem is there's a very vocal contingent who do not want characters to grow or change, it's not inherently bad or wrong, we like our characters the way we perceive them and how we met them, but for some characters growth is hard on them Imagine how people would have flipped out had we had the internet when Dick Grayson changed from Robin to Nightwing! Cassie needs her Nightwing moment or her Troia moment. Unfortunately she's stuck in the same quagmire that Tim Drake and Conner are.....

[Alpha]

Cassie's story is similar to that...she started out dressing in how she thought she looked amazing.

That's not how I would describe it at all. She dressed in a way that represented what mattered to her.

I don't want Cassie to look the way she did in the 90s, but I disagree with how she developed in the 2000s, because I don't think it represented the best parts of her, and because the message it sends is the opposite of what she meant originally