Do you really feel that Emma became an iconic member of the x-men?

[phoenixzero23]

these days there was a thread saying that kitty was the last great addition to the x-men family. some people mentioned other characters and one of them was emma, this left me thinking...
Do x-fans really think she became a essential character for the franchice?? like an iconic member?

I honestly think she didn't. The only reason she came to the spotlight and got a tremendous push was because Jean was death and her relationship with cyclops. with jean alive and emma/cyclops not being a couple she almost disappeared of the x-books.

I know this is going to sound rude but it's just that i don't think she can have the same spotlight again with jean being alive.

edit: please don't make this a shipping debate, they suck. just try to be objective.
if possible please say why you think she became or not an iconic x-men.

[AbnormallyNormal]

these days there was a thread saying that kitty was the last great addition to the x-men family. some people mentioned other characters and one of them was emma, this left me thinking...
Do x-fans really think she became a essential character for the franchice?? like an iconic member?

I honestly think she didn't. The only reason she came to the spotlight and got a tremendous push was because Jean was death and her relationship with cyclops. with jean alive and emma/cyclops not being a couple she almost disappeared of the x-books.

She was put into both the 2009 cartoon and the 2011 anime so yes.

Anyone saying Kitty is the last icon is out of their ever-loving mind for a VARIETY of reasons

People just don't like how Emma has the "taint of villain" on her somehow and she was always snarky to everyone and sassy, and it's Jean-stans upset about her "stealing Jean's man"

[Maestroneto]

Yes, even though she is often written poorly.

[Dante Milton]

Emma has been around for 38 years, for 23 of those years she has been on the X-Men or Gen X. She was basically the co-leader of the X-Men for about a decade. What qualifies as "iconic" is going to vary from person to person, but to me Emma is an important figure among the X-Men.

[CRaymond]

I think Emma is at her best when she's presented as a successful outsider.

It's intentional and significant that she's a telepath and teacher like Xavier.

The minute the X-Men begin to congeal around her presence and persona is the minute she's lost her usefulness to the universe. She needs to be a counterpoint, to be provocative, to be an agitator. In that role, she's an essential archetype.

[berserkerclaw]

Yes Emma has become quite well known and iconic in her own right. She has honeatly done better things as a hero then a villian IMO. I hope her redeeming arc is a good one.

[Diammandis]

Yes ofc...why wouldn't she be, for nearly 2 decades she has been a staple of X-Men comics. She has been the co-leader of many teams and was even a major character for many books/ events , even in her newly transitioned role into villainy she played an important role in SE and had a much larger role than any other x-character. Shes been introduced in mainstream media multiple times also

[Harpsikord]

Yes. I do.

She's been the lead of multiple series and has been an X-Men staple ever since she was a part of Gen X in the early 90's. She was the first lady of the X-Men for nearly a decade. Even now her fanbase is remarkable, and she's had a role in the X-Books even while being antagonistic.

To say she's not is disingenuous.

Also - that's as a Jean stan who thinks that Jott is better than Scemma.

[Dementia5]

Yes. GenX Emma is my favourite Emma.

[nx01a]

Yes. GenX Emma is my favourite Emma.

That was her best time: not burdened by villainy or no clothing or a relationship, able to teach and be the person she always could have been... And Adrienne got what she deserved.

[Lukmendes]

While she's definitely one of the most popular X-Men characters, I always felt like she's at the bottom of it, it doesn't look like she's popular enough for the general public to know she exists, and while the same can be argued about other characters, again, I feel like she has it worst. Although the reason for that is not because of the character herself, she's just doesn't do much outside of comics, so it's quite an achievement she got on the level she's at.

[CuteClops]

I love them both but the answer to your question is a little obvious. many may not love them both for the same reason many do not love polygamy or condone affairs.

My friend, they aren't real people. They're characters from comic books.

Darth Vader is the lord of the Sith. He's a murderer, fascist, but it's fun, and I love him.

That doesn't mean I love murderers in the real world.
I love Magneto, Doctor Doom, the Joker, Darkseid, the Green Goblin and Lex Luthor, but that's doesn't mean I love villains, sociopaths and criminals in the real world.

Jean and Logan kissed and hugged each other several times, but that didn't make me hate Jean or Logan.
I love them.

Scott cheated on Jean, and Emma manipulated Scott and took advantage of his weakness, and yet I love them both.

That doesn't mean I love polygamy or condone affairs.
I repeat: the X-Men are like a soap opera. They aren't real people. They're characters from comic books.

That was her best time: not burdened by villainy or no clothing or a relationship, able to teach and be the person she always could have been... And Adrienne got what she deserved.

All female characters are often depicted in tiny costumes and big hooters, or as if their bodies were just in body paint, without a suit.

It's usually the editor's fault. It's not characters' fault.

[Shadowcat99]

She was put into both the 2009 cartoon and the 2011 anime so yes.

Anyone saying Kitty is the last icon is out of their ever-loving mind for a VARIETY of reasons

People just don't like how Emma has the "taint of villain" on her somehow and she was always snarky to everyone and sassy, and it's Jean-stans upset about her "stealing Jean's man"

Totally agree with this.

[Sandy Hausler]

these days there was a thread saying that kitty was the last great addition to the x-men family. some people mentioned other characters and one of them was emma, this left me thinking...
Do x-fans really think she became a essential character for the franchice?? like an iconic member?

I honestly think she didn't. The only reason she came to the spotlight and got a tremendous push was because Jean was death and her relationship with cyclops. with jean alive and emma/cyclops not being a couple she almost disappeared of the x-books.

I know this is going to sound rude but it's just that i don't think she can have the same spotlight again with jean being alive.

edit: please don't make this a shipping debate, they suck. just try to be objective.
if possible please say why you think she became or not an iconic x-men.

Personally, I have always expected Emma to turn on the X-Men. She had the potential to be one of their greatest foes. Oh well.

Sandy Hausler

[CuteClops]

these days there was a thread saying that kitty was the last great addition to the x-men family. some people mentioned other characters and one of them was emma, this left me thinking...
Do x-fans really think she became a essential character for the franchice?? like an iconic member?

I honestly think she didn't. The only reason she came to the spotlight and got a tremendous push was because Jean was death and her relationship with cyclops. with jean alive and emma/cyclops not being a couple she almost disappeared of the x-books.

I know this is going to sound rude but it's just that i don't think she can have the same spotlight again with jean being alive.

edit: please don't make this a shipping debate, they suck. just try to be objective.
if possible please say why you think she became or not an iconic x-men.

I think you need to get over that hurt and spite.
Jean, Scott and Emma aren't real people. They're characters from comic books.

The X-Men are like a soap opera. So there must be sex, love, affair, infidelity, deception, cheating, mistakes, defects, screw-ups, regrets, forgiveness, sorrow, hurt, loss, overcoming, passion, love, hate, disappointment, redemption, reciprocal rediscovery and reconciliation...

It's confusing, intense, painful, but it's part of the plot. It's fun to see how the characters react when they're on the ropes.

It's fun to see how the characters overcome their limitations and difficulties, their problems and challenges, their fears, their secrets and their mistakes.
It's fun.

The problem happens when the story gets too stale, when there's no movement at all, or when the story is discontinued, particularly if discontinuation is abrupt.

When there's no sequence to the plot, when the characters are unnecessarily killed off, when they destroy a character, but drastically, unnecessary and totally OOC.


Check it out, there wasn't any sort of redemption for Wanda; Jean's premature death (Morrison era); the whole stuff about Cyclops: "the mutant Hitler" and his stupid death; and the Emma Frost's Fate in IVX are the textbook example of what not to do. All of these plots were a truly horrifying breakup stories.

When there's no chance of winning, when there's no chance of redemption, when there's no chance of reciprocal rediscovery and reconciliation, when there's no chance of forgiveness, when there's no chance of overcoming grievances, mistakes, hate and resentment... then the story was a complete failure.

Jean and Emma are amazing characters.
Both are very important to Scott.
And Scott is very important to Jean and Emma.

So, why can't we love them both?