Do you think that what Jean Grey did in X-Men Red #5 was ethical?

[blanchett]

It's been a talking point in other threads, very strong opinions either way.

In this issue Jean merges the mind of the soldiers and the mutants. She said it was to make the soldiers unstand why what they were doing was wrong and to see the other side. However she doesn't request their consent.



At least in the past Jean had an issue with this herself when she was a non psi.


Was she in the right?

[Michael Watkins]

more ethical than eating a planet of broccoli people

[Maestroneto]

Emma said it best.

[KurtW95]

Absolutely not.

[9th.]

Emma said it best.

ohh where is this from?

[DragonsChi]

Hmmm....anyway you paint it what Jean did is a form of mind control. Using "her" will to replace that of another. So was her action in this issue good....no not really. However, her manipulation did prevent others from being potentially hurt. Doesn't make what she did right but her intentions where in the right place.

Roads leading to hell and all that.

[WhiteQueenEmmaFrost]

:P True, honestly I'm half trolling with my posts in this thread. But, just to ask, if a man pushed a womans pleasure buttons (I mean this in a physical way and not psychic like Emma did), against her will and without her consent, to make her orgasm. Would it be considered sexual assault?
Rape may be too strong a term, but I do consider what Emma did sexual assault (now, hold on, I'm actually on her side, we need more of this in the Marvel universe. Imagine if she did this to Blackbolt and Medusa during IVX, that disaster would have been worth it, or to Thor and Captain America in AvX,)

I admire and appreciate your honesty

It most definitely was an assault, but it was also a non-violent solution. It's one thing I Love about Emma. She's honest about how she uses her powers and doesn't feel ashamed for having them or using them.

I think inherently anytime a telepath uses their powers it can be classified as a violation. How many times have we seen any of the telepaths say "I dont want/mean to pry" knowing full well they've already peaked inside someone's thoughts without asking.....at the same time Emma has described telepathy as involuntary. People's thoughts come TO them and they work to build a way to keep them out.

ohh where is this from?

Morrison's New Xmen Jean forces Emma to live through her memories (which was a violation)

[9th.]

I admire and appreciate your honesty

It most definitely was an assault, but it was also a non-violent solution. It's one thing I Love about Emma. She's honest about how she uses her powers and doesn't feel ashamed for having them or using them.

I think inherently anytime a telepath uses their powers it can be classified as a violation. How many times have we seen any of the telepaths say "I dont want/mean to pry" knowing full well they've already peaked inside someone's thoughts without asking.....at the same time Emma has described telepathy as involuntary. People's thoughts come TO them and they work to build a way to keep them out.



Morrison's New Xmen Jean forces Emma to live through her memories (which was a violation)

Thanks. can't wait to start New Xmen after I finish Uncanny

[Tycon]

Are you asking if it was ethical for Jean to put the essence of those mutants' situation, feelings, and concerns into the soldiers' minds? Who were about to make it rain bullet shells???

[Disciple of Redd]

Lol they were brandishing guns at unarmed innocents.

Even pretending there is merit to some other argument about not violating would-be murderers' rights to murder is beyond stupid.

I get devil's advocacy, but come on.

The funny thing (the thing that really blows up the nonsense argument against her action) is that she still didn't even force a change in their minds. They made their minds up on their own after hearing the other people's thoughts.

And to another point: they were brandishing guns in the first place just because some politician said to.

[Dementia5]

Of all the morally questionable things that the X-men and their allies have ever done over the years, I honestly don’t think that this even ranks.

And to another point: they were brandishing guns in the first place just because some politician said to.

You’ve literally just described an army.

[blanchett]

Are you asking if it was ethical for Jean to put the essence of those mutants' situation, feelings, and concerns into the soldiers' minds? Who were about to make it rain bullet shells???

I am asking if she was right to use the method she did without their consent. I think for me, I don't think Jean needed to use that method which is at least morally grey. She could have just thrown up a forcefield. She's an omega level mutant not just for her telepathy but her telekinesis too. I think she had options.

It's like what Xavier did with the Znox except I don't think he had other options whereas Jean actually did seem to have options.

[PowerPlay25]

Yawn. More Jean Grey must always be within bounds of certain decorum, while other X-Telepaths are allowed to do anything and everything to win.

I think all of the Anti-Jean sentiment is making me MORE of a fan of the character.

[Grey]

By nature, telepathy is a Dubious power.

But I honestly think this is one of the least unethical things a telepath has ever done to diffuse a violent situation. I can’t really come up with a reason why it’s even controversial but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Showing someone another person’s perspective for a brief moment... just doesn’t sound very bad to me. At all. I think using telekinesis to freeze someone in place is a worse offense than this. No choices were taken away from the affected individuals.

[Zodlike]

Yawn. More Jean Grey must always be within bounds of certain decorum, while other X-Telepaths are allowed to do anything and everything to win.

The double-standard exists to neuter and discredit characters they don't like (but often pretend to). Expect Jean to get the kind of hypocritical moralizing that Cyclops was subjected to.