T'Challa: Black Panther Appreciation 2018

[Dboi654]

I gotta say that scene still bugs be a little to this day.

T'Challa essentially goes nuts on Namor over something he was going to do 30 seconds ago.

Wasn't implying on the feud between BP and Namor but the gadgets used in that panel.

[Marvell2100]

Yep, with the senses of Wolverine and a mild healing factor. Honestly, it's part of the reason I find his Vibranium costume to be a little on the dull side. I get why it makes sense for him to have it, but it's just one more thing to power him up when his skills and powers already make him an interesting fighter.

Not that I was complaining when I saw him hit by strafing fire in Civil War.

The vibranium suit is there to show the tech side though. Limited teleportation, energy daggers, cloaking abilities.

You need to show equal tech and equal skill.

[Blind Wedjat]

The vibranium suit is there to show the tech side though. Limited teleportation, energy daggers, cloaking abilities.

You need to show equal tech and equal skill.

One problem I think is that we haven't seen enough villains that can counter the suit. One can only be excited seeing T'Challa take gunfire enough times. T'Challa's main villains should be at least be able to match the suit's protection, and counter it at best.

This was one thing Priest did better than any other BP writer in the comics. He first established the suit could be cut along the seams (I think), and showed what the suit could actually take, like a straight stab and gunfire. Then when someone actually countered the suit, it was important, like Iron Fist tearing the suit apart with multiple IF strikes or Nightshade dissolving the suit. Also remember that Magneto and Hydro-Man both tried to kill T'Challa by suffocating and drowning him.

Take three of T'Challa's main villains for instance. First of all, I'd give Killmonger anti-metal weapons (I don't really think they make sense for T'Challa's claws to be fair). Swords, knives and spears that can cut through the suit easily. Klaw has a sound cannon, and like in the MCU, that should affect and destabilise his suit (and his hearing). M'Baku should be a whole lot stronger and stronger than he is, and like in the MCU give him Jabari wood armour and weapons that can contend with Vibranium, meaning if he hits the suit hard enough in the right places, he can do damage.

[DragonsChi]

One problem I think is that we haven't seen enough villains that can counter the suit. One can only be excited seeing T'Challa take gunfire enough times. T'Challa's main villains should be at least be able to match the suit's protection, and counter it at best.

I think that be pretty difficult to do from a writing stand point. Once someone opens the box to a weakness in vibranium there really is no going back. It's no longer this impenetrable metal but instead it devolves into a internet meme.

[MindofShadow]

It is like Priest and Redjack are creative comic vets who understand their job lol

On the comics side, all it takes is one writer on the main book to change the "normal." Once that happens, the side books riff off it and it becomes the new status quo

Just gotta get a writer that actually likes the character, has a comic background (bc with that comes an innate rumble board mentality), and wants to push boundaries a bit.

2 more years to go. Which would be perfect timing to time it near the movies again....

[MindofShadow]

The only problem is that you gotta give him better villains than goon slam gary.

Damn... that's a tough trade off. We gotta be sure this is the path we really want to go down...



"Most tweeted movie in 2018"

"Most msg board'ed superhero for 5 years running cotdamn it!"

Hahaha

But but, how will Vlad or Baron feel about this!

[Rumble]

Nah. Keep the speed if it is at the detriment of his durability. I mean yeah he should have both but writing a character as having to dodge things with speed general means the character can't take a hit. I will pass on Black Panther being knock out and damage by small arms and that is what is going happen to be emphasize when focus on speed. For T'challa to be shown as an all arounder(which is what you want) you can't worry about his speed being shown at peak levels. Plus I rather not have the "Flash problem" magnified what is flash problem it is when someone who has no way in the world to be able to hit flash has to hit him for the story to be interesting.

So basically there's no "issue" with TChalla having that kinda speed... other than lazy/conservative writing? Hahah

What's this hyperbole about TChalla having the speed force? Always gotta be one extreme or the other... Spidey's speed is a nice compromise

Yeah you loved how fast he looked against Thor, How is Captain Marvel, Black Widow, Hawkeye and Iron Man able to hit him then? How fun is fights when realistically no should be able to keep him in their sights or hit. The idea of uncompromised power fantasy seems fun until you have write or see a basic story and see the character challenged. M'baku, Tiger Shark and some henchmen are all able to hit T'Challa none them are "speed tier" of T'Challa. How much is fun is a cartoon of nobody but maybe White Wolf,Killmonger and Captain America being able to land a punch on Black Panther. Extreme Speed is actually detrimental to storytelling.

What's all this uncompromised power stuff? Lets not mistake that with giving him a smart phone in '98, now THAT was OP. Smh@ Priest. Stupid armor, stupid kymodo..

TChalla closer to Spidey speed = Cosmic Ghost Panther, uncompromised

How can anyone ever tag Spiderman when he can turn on the jets and go maximum spider? I dunno but thank goodness Spidey doesnt have an infinite gas tank (or speedforce) to sustain that energy output lol. Or else Poor Rhyno, Doc Ock, and all them other lame ass villains

Speaking of (and like that Rumble guy mentioned) that episode when Kraven got the drop on BP with prep time, only for BP to out maneuver him, sucker him close, and go maximum panther on dat azz, turning on the jets, that was friggin awesome. Great creative decision.

Gives some hope to goon slam Gary if he goes back for his GED, gets a tech based degree at university of Phoenix, and gets an associates in prep time.

[Rumble]

Hahaha

But but, how will Vlad or Baron feel about this!

That's what it comes down to...

Do we want our current batch of flabby villains out of a job, outside looking in like Carmelo Anthony?

These are tough decisions

[Rumble]

I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times: He needs a Sinister Six. He needs villains that forces him to use all of his skills, intellect included.

The Supremacists!!! [I dont recall if there were six of them tho lol]

Modernize them

They had diverse superpowers, so fancy armor + "maximum panther" wouldn't be enough to beat them 1 on 6. He'd stil have to outsmart them, like BP is supposed to. See, it's perfect. Maybe cant call them Supremacists tho, may be a bit too on the nose.

As far as getting to 80,000 posts, I'm not worried. Some will make sure we get there.

As always I'll do what I can to help

[Dboi654]

[Rumble]

This the Panther we've been begging for in the comics. Genius with superb fighting skills, super-fast reflexes, excellent tactical abilities.

Unfortunately, we haven't seen this guy in his own comic for some time. Most times his abilities are downplayed to make lesser opponents seem more dangerous than they really are.

People aren't used to seeing such balance of awesomeness, so it feels OP to them. Like movie Panther did to some journalists when force push was revealed. They'll understand in time. Second half of Panther Quest starts in January

[MindofShadow]

One problem I think is that we haven't seen enough villains that can counter the suit. One can only be excited seeing T'Challa take gunfire enough times. T'Challa's main villains should be at least be able to match the suit's protection, and counter it at best.

This was one thing Priest did better than any other BP writer in the comics. He first established the suit could be cut along the seams (I think), and showed what the suit could actually take, like a straight stab and gunfire. Then when someone actually countered the suit, it was important, like Iron Fist tearing the suit apart with multiple IF strikes or Nightshade dissolving the suit. Also remember that Magneto and Hydro-Man both tried to kill T'Challa by suffocating and drowning him.

Take three of T'Challa's main villains for instance. First of all, I'd give Killmonger anti-metal weapons (I don't really think they make sense for T'Challa's claws to be fair). Swords, knives and spears that can cut through the suit easily. Klaw has a sound cannon, and like in the MCU, that should affect and destabilise his suit (and his hearing). M'Baku should be a whole lot stronger and stronger than he is, and like in the MCU give him Jabari wood armour and weapons that can contend with Vibranium, meaning if he hits the suit hard enough in the right places, he can do damage.

This shit really isn't that hard. It's supervillain 101 lol

So basically there's no "issue" with TChalla having that kinda speed... other than lazy/conservative writing? Hahah

What's this hyperbole about TChalla having the speed force? Always gotta be one extreme or the other... Spidey's speed is a nice compromise



What's all this uncompromised power stuff? Lets not mistake that with giving him a smart phone in '98, now THAT was OP. Smh@ Priest. Stupid armor, stupid kymodo..

TChalla closer to Spidey speed = Cosmic Ghost Panther, uncompromised

How can anyone ever tag Spiderman when he can turn on the jets and go maximum spider? I dunno but thank goodness Spidey doesnt have an infinite gas tank (or speedforce) to sustain that energy output lol. Or else Poor Rhyno, Doc Ock, and all them other lame ass villains

Speaking of (and like that Rumble guy mentioned) that episode when Kraven got the drop on BP with prep time, only for BP to out maneuver him, sucker him close, and go maximum panther on dat azz, turning on the jets, that was friggin awesome. Great creative decision.

Gives some hope to goon slam Gary if he goes back for his GED, gets a tech based degree at university of Phoenix, and gets an associates in prep time.

People loooooooooooove Spider-Man rogues, praise them all the time despite Spider-Man's speed/agility...

and freaking PRECOGNITION to danger.

DD has ridiculous speed and agility... holds a solo series always for decades and praised as one of the best marvel characters constantly.

Why is it magically hard to write BP with similar abilities??

[Blind Wedjat]

I think that be pretty difficult to do from a writing stand point. Once someone opens the box to a weakness in vibranium there really is no going back. It's no longer this impenetrable metal but instead it devolves into a internet meme.

I never said anything about making Vibranium penetrable or giving it a weakness. I am talking about villains finding ways to affect T'Challa's suit. It has practically nothing to do with making the suit weaker. Hell, some person in high tech armour in The Ultimates turned off T'Challa suit altogether and made him fight her in his boxer briefs. That's what I'm talking about.

[Blind Wedjat]

The Supremacists!!! [I dont recall if there were six of them tho lol]

Modernize them

They had diverse superpowers, so fancy armor + "maximum panther" wouldn't be enough to beat them 1 on 6. He'd stil have to outsmart them, like BP is supposed to. See, it's perfect. Maybe cant call them Supremacists tho, may be a bit too on the nose.



As always I'll do what I can to help

Regarding the potential Sinister Six, I've had two thoughts:

1. New Avatars of the Wakandan Gods (not the official name yet, but it could work lol): Killmonger (Lion God(dess)/Sekhmet), M'Baku (Gorilla God/Ghekre/Haruman), another villain representing Sobek the Crocodile God (basically a less reptilian looking version of Killer Croc but has the same abilities), and fraternal twins or Achebe representing the Hyena god (crazy, unpredictable fighters).

2: A syndicate representing the leaders of Wakanda's neighbouring countries. Can include Achebe, Moses Magnum, Princess Zanda, M'Butu etc. Problem is they're not physical threats, but they can employ assassins.

[MindofShadow]

Regarding the potential Sinister Six, I've had two thoughts:

1. New Avatars of the Wakandan Gods (not the official name yet, but it could work lol): Killmonger (Lion God(dess)/Sekhmet), M'Baku (Gorilla God/Ghekre/Haruman), another villain representing Sobek the Crocodile God (basically a less reptilian looking version of Killer Croc but has the same abilities), and fraternal twins or Achebe representing the Hyena god (crazy, unpredictable fighters).

2: A syndicate representing the leaders of Wakanda's neighbouring countries. Can include Achebe, Moses Magnum, Princess Zanda, M'Butu etc. Problem is they're not physical threats, but they can employ assassins.

I personally prefer "villain teams" being lesser villains teaming up rather than the "A" listers doing it.

So id' prefer something like Baron, nuZanda, Solomon Prey, Zenzi, + new villain instead. Maybe lead by a non physical A lister like Achebe