General Okoye: "Why was she up there all this time?"
Get Hectic!
My brother, there was absolutely nothing wrong with the wives in training Dora Milaje aspect of Priests take on the BP mythos.
As DigiCom cited in an earlier post on the subject, look into the history of the Dahomey Amazons who were an actual army of African Warrior women dedicated to protecting their King and recognised accordingly as being amongst the most disciplined and fierce warriors of that African kingdom.
One of the biggest mistakes people of African descent make, is allowing others to decide what is appropriate even as they mock cultures they lack the ability to comprehend let alone respect.
Ezyo1000, look at you exposing more of our SHARED bias. You and I both know Hudlin’s intent behind those scenes. At the same time, you and I BOTH know that MANY of her fans made arguments to the contrary. The argument is flimsy, but it’s not hard for me to understand why MANY OF HER FANS felt that way. I’ll do you one better. I’m damn sure you and I BOTH have witnessed some of her fans use her throwaway lines to Psylocke and Magneto about T’Challa “beating her” as their “proof” that he was a bad husband. It was in the aftermath of AvX and it went completely against the actual story to paint a different picture. She was the one that got violent before tossing the ring. We’ve seen that angle used despite the disingenuous nature of the argument all together. The argument itself may be flimsy, but her words are NOT a complete lie, given he did place hands on her in World’s Apart. I’m also aware it’s a narrative set forth by writers that had written X-books previously or later went on to do so.
I agree we won't see MUCH of the DM... they're background supporting characters, and aside from Shuri none of the BP supporting cast is really seen all that much. Prior to Coates run, when was the last time we even say Okoye?
And I don't necessarily disagree that Priest handled the whole wives in training thing well... but I'd still say long term it's better that this aspect be completely removed. And that's what Coates did. A potentially problematic element is now gone.
Yes and no.
The roots of the story are the very very very end of Hickmans Secret Wars (I think literally the last 5 pages or whatever). But honestly if you were to just start reading it without any prior knowledge of that book, you would be fine. The entire run is based on a mystery of exactly how Black Panther got into this situation. Heck, you're not even sure if this is the REAL Black Panther. You're not supposed to know exactly what's going on or why any of this is happening... it's a mystery. A brand new reader would be roughly in the same boat as one caught up for the majority of the book as it largely revolves around brand new characters in a brand new situation.
MindofShadow,
I have to save this most enlightening post!
Thank you.
I can only imagine the pleasure of fans if Reginald Hudlin was writing Black Panther now, with the same energy he had a decade ago, after a blockbuster movie that dramatically showcased an African utopia.
I daresay it would be a much happier tone on these boards by most of the regulars.
I sure as hell might actually buy the product.
Brother Maj,
As I've said before, Fuck the X-Men.
They are a white fantasy of oppression and until they have a United States born and raised black male star I don't want to hear shit from them.
Anyway, shout out to all the real ones on this board, you, MoS, Digicom, LastManStanding, Cville, Marvell2100, Flex, KingNomarch and of course Ezyo.
You men make this thread a pleasure to read.
Excelsior!
Daoud
That's a complicated question, since the Okoye Priest created (the one based on either Tyra Banks or Naomi Campbell, Nakia being the other) hasn't been seen since the end of his run. The one that looks/acts like MCU!Okoye (and hence a Hudlin Dora Milaje) is pretty much a new character.
I would actually say that we need to do some retcons here, because it's fairly difficult to equate Priest's teenage bodyguards with the warrior women Hudlin introduced. I mean, why would he have to all the way to Chicago to recruit Queen Divine Justice to replace Malice if he had a whole compound of "Grace Jones-looking chicks" to choose from?
If I were tasked with resolving the conflict, I would suggest that (as T'Challa needed bodyguards who could blend in) Nakia & Okoye were Dora Milaje trainees, who had not yet taken their final oaths (and hence, not received their head tattoos). When Nakia went rogue, there were no other novices old enough to take her place, necessitating the recruitment of QDJ.
Perhaps also due to Nakia's actions, T'Challa & the Dora leadership decided that having trainees live in the palace was a bad idea, which is why we don't see any other young Dora running around underfoot. They may have also decided to downplay the whole "potential wives" thing at the same time, to avoid the possibility of any other impressionable young girls going the Ginny Weasley route.
Exactly. Painting other cultures with a West/American view isn't always a good thing.
Coates took a part of Wakandan culture and looked at it in the worst way possible while ignoring the fact that in the history of Marvel producing Black Panther comics, none of the things he has personal issues with have occurred.
can we PLEASE get a new BP writer now??? BP# 17 15,260 copies. i feel like that episode of Family Guy where chris griffin was talking about Nicholas Cage. "how does he keep getting work?!"
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The thing is, you can make the arguement that even the Wakandan culture itself didn't necessarily have a very high view of the Dora system. Under Priest T'Challa only recently brought it back... which meant the Wakandans themselves for a period of time stopped using the wives in training thing. And the only reason it was even brought back was to help keep the tribes from going to war with each other. Under Priest it was painted more as a necessarily evil than anything else. I don't think under Priest at least the system was ever intended to actually look good. Priest wasn't trying anywhere near as hard as Hudlin to make Wakanda come off utopian.