Black Panther Appreciation 2019

[Mr MajestiK]

Both Captain America and Black Panther are books which frequently dabble on social and political commentary. I don't think its any coincidence those are the books he's been given.

Most people posting in this thread, are fully aware of political and social issues that occasionally crop up within T'Challa and Steve's respective.

Said folks are also aware that only one of those books is being written properly.

You my friend, will get a No prize for guessing which one.

[Paul Muad'Dib]

Black Panther Transforming... 2017 sketch design




T'Challa "No Face" Tech-Heavy...


edit; I'm willing to be honest. are they? are you... the BP fans?

[MouserGrey]

Self hate and an over reliance on slave mentality based thought process, is a helluva drug

This sums up Chokes in my own estimation as well. Nuff said.

[KingNomarch]

Listened to the director's commentary and a few things stood out.

1. Hannah mentioned that the HSH and the death herb grow in Necropolis. I don't remember a death herb ever being mentioned in the movie unless she was referring to the HSH.

2. T'Challa didn't have visions the first time he took the HSH.

3. Marvel should really considering selling copies of the 515 page Wakandan Bible Hannah made detailing it's history.

4. The necklace T'Challa gets crowned with belonged to Bashenga.

5. Shuri's lab was originally part of a large drill that the Wakandans used thousands of years ago.

6. The casino shot was originally meant to be a one shot.

7. The most important part that stood out to me because it shows the clear difference between how Coogler and Coates view T'Challa. Ryan mentioned several times that they built the script around T'Challa becoming the greatest king ever in Wakanda's history. Meanwhile in the Coates-verse T'Challa knowingly does nothing to save Wakanda girls and old ladies from rape camps, bring despots into Wakanda to tell him how to run his country, spends more time moping and has little to nothing in common with the real T'Challa. His own people don't even like him. Coates had Storm tell the people to cheer for him and then had Wakanda literally becoming perfect when he disappears.

[Vibranium Weave]

How do is everyone feel with Marvel Studios releasing Spiderman 3 before Black Panther? Considering Spiderman 2 just came out.

[Cville]

How do is everyone feel with Marvel Studios releasing Spiderman 3 before Black Panther? Considering Spiderman 2 just came out.

I'm fine. I like the Spider-Man movies

[Blind Wedjat]

I personally don't care about it. The May 2022 date won't shift anyway.

[Mr MajestiK]

This sums up Chokes in my own estimation as well. Nuff said.

Word is bond yo!

[Marvell2100]

At some point, one just has to come to terms with the disingenuous nature of the agenda some choose to push.

Three years of diminishing the titular character to the very background in his own SOLO BOOK, behind every supporting character thrown kitchen sink like in T'Challa''s direction.

Three years of portraying T'Challa as an out of touch monarch in name only who meets with foreign dictators and other shadowy Internationalists to discuss ways and means to crush decent within a nation that was civilized for millennia whilst the world outside its hidden borders, was still living in caves.

Three years of sub par, pseudo African made up African lore as envisioned through the eyes of a wilfully (where the Black Panther mythos are concerned,) ignorant writer, pushed as superior to anything that came before irrespective of the fact that what said writer has been pushing is another than a fake "woke" narrative that remains nothing more than a joke that no one is laughing at. (Other than possibly the very writer himself.)

Three years wherein the writer in question, has used the Black Panther solo book as an ongoing storyboard to show how good he is at writing Storm's character than practically every other X-scribe only to find himself overlooked in favour of Jonathan Hickman, the very writer who finished Secret Wars II with T'Challa and Wakanda on the verge of leading the rest of Earth into space on a uniquely Wakandan led space program.

But of course, genuine Black Panther Mythos enthusiasts who voice their concerns and displeasure at the decrepit direction Ta Nehisi Coates has taken T'Challa, Wakanda and the entire mythos in are low key trolled for not bowing down and worshipping at his feet like newly converted devotees to the Church of Storm.

I think not.

This level of rubbish would not be tolerated in a book edited by someone genuinely cognizant or appreciative of the importance of continuity, accurate characterisation and overall narrative synergy across the creative spectrum.

How else can anyone explain why all of T'Challa's solid characterization and verifiable feats, all seem to exclusively occur on panel, outside of his own SOLO BOOK!

The house is indeed on fire and we all know who the blaze originator is.

"The roof! The roof! The roof is on fire! We don't need no water let the muther-frakker burn!" (Old heads will remember this chant from house parties.)

How much worse would this be if we didn't have BP in Avengers and Agents of Wakanda.

The only title out there with BP is his sad, sad solo.

Maybe be that's why T'Challa is depressed. He sees his other self leading the Avengers and doing cool isht. He's got another team of unlikely members that is globe-trotting kicking ass.

Meanwhile at home, he's in purgatory wondering how much longer does he have to suffer like this.

[Golden Guardian of Good]

I see Coates the tyrant is still molesting Black Panther. Nothing has changed I see.

[Marvell2100]

How do is everyone feel with Marvel Studios releasing Spiderman 3 before Black Panther? Considering Spiderman 2 just came out.

The Black Panther 2 movie is coming out. Period. Doesn't matter to me what comes out before it. If people get caught up in these kinds of nit-picky things, then they're going to miserable.

[XPac]

How do is everyone feel with Marvel Studios releasing Spiderman 3 before Black Panther? Considering Spiderman 2 just came out.

Given the issues with marvel and Sony, they want that movie out asap.

[Mr MajestiK]

Listened to the director's commentary and a few things stood out.

1. Hannah mentioned that the HSH and the death herb grow in Necropolis. I don't remember a death herb ever being mentioned in the movie unless she was referring to the HSH.

2. T'Challa didn't have visions the first time he took the HSH.

3. Marvel should really considering selling copies of the 515 page Wakandan Bible Hannah made detailing it's history.

4. The necklace T'Challa gets crowned with belonged to Bashenga.

5. Shuri's lab was originally part of a large drill that the Wakandans used thousands of years ago.

6. The casino shot was originally meant to be a one shot.

7. The most important part that stood out to me because it shows the clear difference between how Coogler and Coates view T'Challa. Ryan mentioned several times that they built the script around T'Challa becoming the greatest king ever in Wakanda's history. Meanwhile in the Coates-verse T'Challa knowingly does nothing to save Wakanda girls and old ladies from rape camps, bring despots into Wakanda to tell him how to run his country, spends more time moping and has little to nothing in common with the real T'Challa. His own people don't even like him. Coates had Storm tell the people to cheer for him and then had Wakanda literally becoming perfect when he disappears.

I've never heard of any herb other than the HSH so I'm not sure what the director was smoking when the said that.

As for the other parts of your excellent post, it goes without saying that comparing Coates trainwreck of a BP run to anything else BP related, is an excercise in self inflicted torture.

Coates garbage take on T'Challa, Wakanda and the entire BP mythos, is fully indicative of a writer whose entire playbook revolves around exploring his ideas on dysfunction, gender/orientation conflicts and every other negative viewpoint he has about Africa as viewed through his ignorant eyes.

He can't put aside his own jaundiced views as regards Africa long enough to share the sense of wonder that inspired Jack Kirby and Stan Lee to come up with T'Challa and Wakanda all the way back in 1966.

He lacks the professionalism that Priest brought with him, to work on a character he wasn't particularly excited about writing at first before going on to become the writer best known for bringing T_Challabback from creative limbo.

Coates lacks the emotional depth and ability to recognise the importance of strong representation of black excellence within speculative fiction as was the case during Reginald Hudlin's full on in your face swaggerlicious T'Challa who was about his business 24/7 straight no chaser.

Even Jonathan Maberry brought more to the BP mythos in the buildup to Doomwar as regards character development, the solid introduction of mysticism into T'Challa's wheelhouse on a personal level, T'Challa's factual genius level intellect on full display as regards the Shadow Physics, the Nowhere Room and particle edged weapons all designed by T'Challa in the face of Doom's usurpation of Wakandan Vibranium.

Maberry's love for Doom and about face treatment of T'Challa at the end of Doomwar was the one thing that soured true BP Mythos enthusiasts towards him as a BP scribe but there's no denying the fact that Maberry was the only writer post Priest,bro actually show T'Challa as a super genius level scientist.

I also give him props for introducing David Liss to the BP equation as the next scribe in the wake of Maberry's departure.

And speaking of David Liss, when it came to writing a compelling main character in the wake of defeat and emotional fatigue, David Liss's depowered Black Panther would've have out thought, run rings around and thoroughly beaten Coates fully powered up Black Panther (in name only) like a violently abused piñata.

David Liss overcame initial fan suspicion and scepticism towards the direction that he took T'Challa in until he completely won readers over by masterfully crafting a tale showing T'Challa regaining his confidence and sense of purpose whilst utilising his intelligence and innate scientific ingenuity to over come Romanian Super Soldiers, assassin's, schizophrenic mutants and one Kingpin of crime in a manner that showed just how under the right writers pen, T'Challa is truly the "Most Dangerous Man Alive" on any day of the week.

In the face of all of the above variable facts, how anyone would see Coates is having anything positive to the BP mythos remains flabbergasting but at thevend of the day, I suppose his nonsense will continue apace because there'll always be a market for the stereotypical portrayals of African dysfunction that Coates "Twelve Years A Slave" take on the BP mythos, apparently caters and panders to.

It is what it is.

[Mr MajestiK]

"The roof! The roof! The roof is on fire! We don't need no water let the muther-frakker burn!" (Old heads will remember this chant from house parties.)

How much worse would this be if we didn't have BP in Avengers and Agents of Wakanda.

The only title out there with BP is his sad, sad solo.

Maybe be that's why T'Challa is depressed. He sees his other self leading the Avengers and doing cool isht. He's got another team of unlikely members that is globe-trotting kicking ass.

Meanwhile at home, he's in purgatory wondering how much longer does he have to suffer like this.

The scenario you've highlighted, would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

[Mr MajestiK]

I see Coates the tyrant is still molesting Black Panther. Nothing has changed I see.

Yep!

The literary molestation of T'Challa and the BP Mythos continues at full speed sans lubricant.

Some Storm fans are happy though.

Coates is really taking care of them as regards writing Storm as an all powerful "goddess" that Wakanda's bow down to pray too in what's supposed to be T'Challa's solo book, whilst she remains all back of the bus behind lighter hued mutants in her own family of titles over there yonder in X-land.

Krakoa is a helluva drug I tells ya.