Black Panther Appreciation 2019

[Marvell2100]

Hell, they ain't even talking about the conclusion of that war. You know, where Wakanda decimated Atlantis so bad, Proxima came by and was like "yo wtf happened here LOLOL" and Namor... NAMOR of all people, took the L so hard he risked the world to send the Black Order to Wakanda.

That... that is the Namor they want lol? The defeated, bitch made on his knees crying, traitor?

There article, website people, and fake fans ain't talking about Priest, they ain't talking about the Hudlin respect, ain't talking about the Flags stuff, they are talking about 2 scans and then they have no memory or care what happened after.

So like we most of us figured out early on, there really is no need for Namor to be in BP 2 as a villain or otherwise.

[Dboi654]

Namor has been rumored for Black Panther II for some time now, most likely as the antagonist. I really didn't believe it for fear of rights complications with universal keeping this from happening, but since we can get a she-hulk tv show I think it's safe to say we could get Namor. So I ask you, Black Panther fans, would you want Namor as the villian? Love it, hate it, just tell me how you feel about this one. looking forward to hearing your thoughts, and as always, Praise be Feige.

As a supporting character? Yes/Maybe

As a villain? No. Too early for that

[XPac]

As a supporting character? Yes/Maybe

As a villain? No. Too early for that

I do think in Namor debuts (be in BP or FF or whatever), he'll probably start of as an antagonist. Not necessarily a flat out villain... but I think he'll initially be a problem before eventually transitioning into an anti-hero. Him being a good guy who is a bad guy is sort of in his dna as a character... if he was a straight up Aquaman, it just wouldn't be Namor.

[DigiCom]

Here's the thing:

Namor's an a-hole.

He's ALWAYS been an a-hole.

He's sometimes a heroic a-hole, and sometimes a villainous a-hole, but he's NEVER been written as a completely sympathetic character, even back in the Golden Age when he had his own title. In his very first appearance, he trashed NYC.

He was the archetypal loose cannon who could only be trusted when there was a common foe to battle. Otherwise, he was arrogant, violent, and frankly a bit childish. A less mature M'Baku, more or less.

The Namor people WANT is the one from a particular arc. But given that Feige & co also have to avoid comparisons with Aquabro... I strongly suspect that's not the one we are getting.

[H-E-D]

If Namor shows up, it should be in either their FF or X-Men stuff. Namor is, as you say, an asshole. That's his appeal, I say that as a fan of Namor. And the best Namor dynamic is when he's stubbornly trying to create a love triangle lol. Whether that's with Susan or with Emma.

[XPac]

Here's the thing:

Namor's an a-hole.

He's ALWAYS been an a-hole.

He's sometimes a heroic a-hole, and sometimes a villainous a-hole, but he's NEVER been written as a completely sympathetic character, even back in the Golden Age when he had his own title. In his very first appearance, he trashed NYC.

He was the archetypal loose cannon who could only be trusted when there was a common foe to battle. Otherwise, he was arrogant, violent, and frankly a bit childish. A less mature M'Baku, more or less.

The Namor people WANT is the one from a particular arc. But given that Feige & co also have to avoid comparisons with Aquabro... I strongly suspect that's not the one we are getting.

Honestly I don't think the MCU will sweat comparrisons with DC at this point, because any comparisons made would likely go in marvels favor. Basically DC turned Aquaman cool by making him a watered down Namor. So DC is already halfway conceding that Namor is cooler, and Namor doesn't even exist yet.

[DigiCom]

Honestly I don't think the MCU will sweat comparrisons with DC at this point, because any comparisons made would likely go in marvels favor. Basically DC turned Aquaman cool by making him a watered down Namor. So DC is already halfway conceding that Namor is cooler, and Namor doesn't even exist yet.

But DC got to the screens first, and the average viewer doesn't care that Namor was actually created first. Think like a studio head, not a comics fan.

[MindofShadow]

But DC got to the screens first, and the average viewer doesn't care that Namor was actually created first. Think like a studio head, not a comics fan.

Got to the screen first and made a billion dollars

Hence why, again, he makes a better pure villain IMO. I just don't think it sholuld be a Black Panther villain.

Hell, Atlantis can be made big enough to be an Avengers level threat. Namor, Attuma, Tiger Shark, various underwater beasts and tech. You can amp up people as needed. (like say Namorita is a magic user to counter Strange). Especially if you leave Carol off world.

Hell, imagine an Avengers movie where T'challa doesn't know if he should get involved because it involves matters of state. Wakanda never got involved in other wars... why should he get involved in an Atlantis vs *insert countries* wars?

And at the same time, if he is going to be more involvedi n the UN nad such... he should ally with something. It would be a reason for T'challa to be an Avenger. He oculd go acting as a hero and not as a head of state and leave the rest of Wakanda out of it.

If this was a cartoon, he would say Wakanda is staying out, and then send himself into atlantis on a stealth mission to infiltrate and destory some uber destoryer tech, ends up fighting some boss 1v1 to kill and destory it and get out without anyone knowing who did it except for a wink and a nod at the next Avengers meeting

[RDMXV]

Namor has been rumored for Black Panther II for some time now, most likely as the antagonist. I really didn't believe it for fear of rights complications with universal keeping this from happening, but since we can get a she-hulk tv show I think it's safe to say we could get Namor. So I ask you, Black Panther fans, would you want Namor as the villian? Love it, hate it, just tell me how you feel about this one. looking forward to hearing your thoughts, and as always, Praise be Feige.

Two things

I think Namor is too complicated to be the black and white "villain". If he is shoehorned I think the quality of characters around T'Challa and namor will suffer and that's the opposite of the first film where every key character had a perspective that different people could align with.

Secondly, just my personal taste I don't want to see in IMAX images of black people being flooded in wakanda. It just doesnt sit well with me and thats namor's biggest moment vs T'Challa.

I do think those at the helm are capable so I'm optimistic but I kinda just want something more left field that will heighten the espionage elements. I'm thinking more over the top mission impossible/ james bond like scenes but with a scale fitting a superhero.

[BlackClaw]

Two things

I think Namor is too complicated to be the black and white "villain". If he is shoehorned I think the quality of characters around T'Challa and namor will suffer and that's the opposite of the first film where every key character had a perspective that different people could align with.

Secondly, just my personal taste I don't want to see in IMAX images of black people being flooded in wakanda. It just doesnt sit well with me and thats namor's biggest moment vs T'Challa.

I do think those at the helm are capable so I'm optimistic but I kinda just want something more left field that will heighten the espionage elements. I'm thinking more over the top mission impossible/ james bond like scenes but with a scale fitting a superhero.

Wakanda is landlocked in the MCU so I doubt there’s much Namor could do to flood it. The only they can make a rivalry between Wakanda and Atlantis make sense is if Namor attacks a coastal nation that Wakanda has allied itself with.

[XPac]

Wakanda is landlocked in the MCU so I doubt there’s much Namor could do to flood it. The only they can make a rivalry between Wakanda and Atlantis make sense is if Namor attacks a coastal nation that Wakanda has allied itself with.

Or Namor could flood Oakland I guess.

[DigiCom]

Or Namor could flood Oakland I guess.

He's more likely to flood NYC. In the comics, he's done that before (quite often... for a while it was like his go-to for a lazy Sunday afternoon. )

In any case, if he attacks the US, it's not exactly Wakanda's problem. It might be an _Avengers_ problem (assuming the Richards family has not yet been introduced) but last time I checked, T'challa wasn't actually a member of the team in the movies. He's treated more like an an ally.

[MindofShadow]

Two things

I think Namor is too complicated to be the black and white "villain". If he is shoehorned I think the quality of characters around T'Challa and namor will suffer and that's the opposite of the first film where every key character had a perspective that different people could align with.

Secondly, just my personal taste I don't want to see in IMAX images of black people being flooded in wakanda. It just doesnt sit well with me and thats namor's biggest moment vs T'Challa.

I do think those at the helm are capable so I'm optimistic but I kinda just want something more left field that will heighten the espionage elements. I'm thinking more over the top mission impossible/ james bond like scenes but with a scale fitting a superhero.

"people" only want it because it is the only story they know of with black panther.

He didn't have a solo for what... a decade? once KPoW ended? and hell, if you want arcs wehre Black Panther is actually black panther and not Daredevil, then you have to go back farther.

The only culturally relevant stories for casuals that involve Black Panther are Incursion Storyline and AvX. Ain't no way you can do the incursion story now so they all jump on the AvX story and Namor.

They aren't black panther fans, they aren't namor fans. They are casuals making articles for clicks.

Hell, like I said, they don't even know how it ends lol. There was just a very large thread on r/marvel (which I moderate) with tons of upvotes that was basically summarized as, "lol Wakanda doesn't stand a chance against Atlantis." It took forever before someone pointed out that.. bruh... ATlantis got wrecked. And that is one a MARVEL subreddit with tons of comic fans.

[MindofShadow]

He's more likely to flood NYC. In the comics, he's done that before (quite often... for a while it was like his go-to for a lazy Sunday afternoon. )

In any case, if he attacks the US, it's not exactly Wakanda's problem. It might be an _Avengers_ problem (assuming the Richards family has not yet been introduced) but last time I checked, T'challa wasn't actually a member of the team in the movies. He's treated more like an an ally.

Unless they catch the wakandan embassy or the oakland outreach thing

[DigiCom]

Unless they catch the wakandan embassy or the oakland outreach thing

That doesn't make it PERSONAL, though. The premise that "Black Panther battles Namor because Atlantis accidentally killed some Wakandans while attacking the US" sounds _incredibly_ forced. It reminds me of a Rob Liefeld TV interview I saw once where he "created" a couple of new characters on the spot, and then said something along the lines of: "Now we need to find an excuse for them to fight.".