Lmao the fact of the matter is YOU know exactly the times I’m thinking of. It isn’t whether the relationship bring him down. It’s clear they lift each other’s spirits. They love spending time with one another. Their connection may indeed be problematic. They may be detrimental to each other in the long run. The point is they love one another in a place outside of all yours and whomever else’s greatest sense of self love is to practice that which makes you happy. They make one another happy. That’s that on that.
I don't need to unmake anything because she says it in the following scan
If you don't see the issue with this dialogue from her, add this to what she said to the Wakandan women who were captive and being raped, then I don't know what to tell you.
I'm not missing the message because I an looking at beyond a single issue or scan and the message is pretty clear about what Coates thinks about Black men, Africa, T'Challa and the rest of the mythos.. it's pretty poor.
Thing is, most of is posters here have zero issue discussing the intricate Layers of T'Challa. No one ever said once that T'Challa must be stoic and show zero emotions and be this brooding character.
Coates in S1 constantly said T'Challa was too distracted and made characters say he didn't care about his people and that he resented them. My favorite counter to that nonsense is this scan.
If you want to have a conversation about the complexity and coolness in all aspects of T'Challa lets have that conversation, but to come in here claiming us posters only want to see brute strength angry black man tropes is not going to get you very far and quite the insult considering we have seen what a writer who wants to elevate T'Challa cab do. And it's not all violence at all.
I dunno where you get the idea that we want some angry black man devoid of emotion. You keep bringing up the MCU so I think you have the BP appreciation forum confused with the racist unfans and haters who come up with a million excuses for why T'Challa beat their favorite heroes at the box office and who's movie because a cultural movement. Because literally none of the posters here, have ever remotely suggested that he be devoid of emotion. What has been criticised in terms of his emotions are when the story drives and demands he act out of character to fit the narrative while trying (and failing) to com off as complex
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You do realize that his chains are removed before he is remanded to Shuri’s custody, right? Are you sure you’re up to the task of discussing this particular issue objectively? I gave you multiple chances to correct your false accusations. Pretty soon I’m going to just start calling you a liar because purposely misrepresent that truth. It’s not cute. Neither that attitude of anti-black intellectual women. Shuri states the obvious but you keep missing it because you want something to be offended by. Why is that, Ezyo1000?
This is what happens when someone hasn't read Priest's or Hudlin's runs, sees scans of T'Challa from said run and assumes both writers depicted T'Challa as an angry black man of all things.
Like clock work.
T'challa is the opposite of an angry black man. When he loses his cool it is a big moment because it rarely happens and he is so cold and calculating 99% of the time.
Which is why some of us were initially excited to see T'challa PISSED when his mom got blown up, because we thought it was gonna snap him out of his CoatesComa. But all that turned into was getting punched twice and then meeting with despots lol.
They probably don't even know Monica Lynn existed.
looks awfully happy there
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Why though? I never noticed this and generally it is correct of coates era. But is that needed from T'Challa? I don't think that vibe would fit most of the themes personally but it seems like the majority of these disagreements boil down to what do you want this character to be vs what is this character. So what should he be? Seems like half the forum's answer is "everything".
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I think T'Challa is very happy for these reasons:
1. Agents of Wakanda
2. Avengers
3. BP II
4. Love interest in comics on panel.
T'Challa does show emotion like other heroes. Didn't know it was an issue.
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He was a perfect mix of warrior confidence, royalty confidence, loving brother, and loving boyfriend, while allowing the seriousness of his job to be expressed, being honorable, while keeping that "hero" trait where he does the right thing as a hero even though it might not be the right thing as a king and paying for that decision.
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That arguably is an issue he's got. Co-dependency probably is a bit too strong a term, but I think it was established back in Priests run that Storm is one of the few people on the planet T'Challa will allow himself to be vulnerable to.
But that's not an uncommon problem a lot of heroes who seemingly are in complete control have. Batman will do it with Alfred for example... but that's pretty much it. Some heroes just don't allow themselves to be vulnerable in that way, but it can come with a pretty heavy emotional burden. And that's how marvel likes their guys... feet of clay.
You do know that in the scan I posted Shuri calls him a slave right? Are you sure your up to the task of having an actual discussion based on actual conversation of what people have actually said or are you going to continue to sling false accusations in a (failing) attempt to discredit people's arguments?
Nothing I said was false. Shuri DOES call Franklin a slave. "Do not thank me, the gratitude of slaves is noxious to me" Shuri DOES tell two women who were captive in rape treehouses that they should of accepted their fate to be raped and killed so that the golden city would still stand. That ain't my Shuri, the one I know was loyal to Wakanda, she didn't take any of that isht lightly. She would never say anything like that to her people or to black people.
So miss me with that anti intellectual Black women isht, because it's becoming very apparent that your knowledge of BP and his mythos and this BP thread are limited to likely Coates and the MCU, which is fine but your whole "posters here want angry Black man and brute strength tropes" and now this anti intellectual Black women nonsense ain't cute. And is simply going to make people take you less seriously
Yes because he ain't Batman. He isn't some depressed guy brooding and can never be happy, sure he ain't happy go Lucky Peter Parker but Hudlin showed us a multi faceted BP, who smiled and laughed and was legitimately happy.
The real question is why don't you think he can't be happy and smile? Really T'Chadwick nailed T'Challa down pretty well
Exactly, I wasn't even looking at that. But what type bullisht is that? its completely inaccurate yet people who don't know better and only know Coates BP will eat that isht up because he has an agenda. The BP mythos deserves better than to suffer under Coates nonsensical offensive take on Wakanda and Africa