So...are the mutants of Krakoa taking mutant children from their families?

[Chris0013]

If so that could cause some problems with regards to kidnapping and international trafficking.

[jwatson]

If so that could cause some problems with regards to kidnapping and international trafficking.

Not that we have seen. So far the mutants we have seen were being detained by russian officials and i didn't see any human families protesting. It was also specifically stated if the Mauraders didn't get there when they did the mutants in russia were going to be shipped to gulag. Which is a russian labor camp.

So i guess it would be the governments that are taking and keeping mutant children from their parents.

[Lapsus]

They are helping mutants who are persecuted.

A mutant happy with his family doesnt need help, in this case, they simply offer sanctuary in Krakoa if they want.

[AHRNIHAL]

No they don't. They're taking mutants in who want to go and live in Krakoa.

[Tycon]

Why would you even think that???

[Chris0013]

Why would you even think that???

I noticed some little kids on the island like the one who showed up in the just released Marauders #1. And with other stuff Xavier has pulled I would not put it past him.

[MarvelMaster616]

No they don't. They're taking mutants in who want to go and live in Krakoa.

I agree. That seemed to be the main takeaway from Marauders. Nobody is forcing mutants to come live on Krakoa. Even in House of X #1, Cyclops just extended the offer to Franklin Richards of the Fantastic Four. He didn't kidnap him, nor did he threaten to. He simply said that mutants have a home that they can go to whenever they please.

And if the events of Marauders #1 is any indication, there are plenty of people trying to keep mutants from leaving, even though they want to.

[Frobisher]

If so that could cause some problems with regards to kidnapping and international trafficking.

Obvious pro human concern troll is obvious.

[AHRNIHAL]

Obvious pro human concern troll is obvious.

If people still think hate and fear towards mutants doesn't make sense in marvel. This is the proof.

[jwatson]

If people still think hate and fear towards mutants doesn't make sense in marvel. This is the proof.

And for some reason it's always on the other. The avenger line had no problem pulling in mutants for a vs. x to fight them but the editors and writers over there who are controlling the non mutant characters don't even take the time in their own books to show their own heros helping the other. If the issue is really how humans are viewed in general in the mu why aren't they on the main marvel board or sending letters to the writers of those titles campaigning for them to use two panels, just two panels to show they care or want to help ALL of Earth's inhabitants. But instead we don't hear jack. It makes the whole thing seem ingenuine. They want the books with mutants to focus on good humans but don't even have that expectation of the books with said humans in it. Spiderman writers didn't seem to have a problem showing he cares about mutants on several occasions.

[chief12d]

And for some reason it's always on the other. The avenger line had no problem pulling in mutants for a vs. x to fight them but the editors and writers over there who are controlling the non mutant characters don't even take the time in their own books to show their own heros helping the other. If the issue is really how humans are viewed in general in the mu why aren't they on the main marvel board or sending letters to the writers of those titles campaigning for them to use two panels, just two panels to show they care or want to help ALL of Earth's inhabitants. But instead we don't hear jack. It makes the whole thing seem ingenuine. They want the books with mutants to focus on good humans but don't even have that expectation of the books with said humans in it. Spiderman writers didn't seem to have a problem showing he cares about mutants on several occasions.

I posted something similar a few days back, but most solo Avengers have stories or crossovers with the X-Men that highlight their opposition to anti-mutant racism. So the idea that the mainstream MU ignores the mutant narrative outright or is actively anti-mutant is a stretch. Now X-fans can be mad that they aren’t seeing the mutant struggle enough in other books, but that’s a separate complaint from the Avengers being oblivious to their problems. And even then I still put the onus on the X-office to display good humans (not “focus” on them). Whether or not Iron man was punching out Purifiers the last decade didn’t affect the fact that the X-office wrote itself into a corner with an over saturation of human racism. The insane levels of vitriol toward mutants in the X-books is what needs to be addressed, not how frequently non X-books choose to prove that their heroes aren’t anti-mutant.

[jwatson]

I posted something similar a few days back, but most solo Avengers have stories or crossovers with the X-Men that highlight their opposition to anti-mutant racism. So the idea that the mainstream MU ignores the mutant narrative outright or is actively anti-mutant is a stretch. Now X-fans can be mad that they aren’t seeing the mutant struggle enough in other books, but that’s a separate complaint from the Avengers being oblivious to their problems. And even then I still put the onus on the X-office to display good humans (not “focus” on them). Whether or not Iron man was punching out Purifiers the last decade didn’t affect the fact that the X-office wrote itself into a corner with an over saturation of human racism. The insane levels of vitriol toward mutants in the X-books is what needs to be addressed, not how frequently non X-books choose to prove that their heroes aren’t anti-mutant.

But if they want that narrative to change they have to do their part. The x-fans can say whatever they want to say but if a cloud that is killing mutants is travelling all over the ENTIRE marvel universe and in those books they aren't showing those heros dealing with it too why should an overall narrative be dumped only on the x-books to poison those. If Thor had ONE panel showing him helping a mutant x-fans couldn't say Thor never did anything to help. At that point then yes the onus is on the x-books to either act like he has helped or go out of their way to show they did. Also how can you do a company wide event where the inhumans basically came and dropped their home in the middle of the MU and was forcing people to change against their will and those inhumans were showing up in books like Avengers etc and they were doing their part to help normalize it but then on the flip side don't take the panel time to try to normalize the mutant aspect of things. You can't have it both ways. You can't force once side to support the other with their dollars and do all the heavy lifting in a shared universe or you end up in the situation they are in now.

I would LOVE to hear how the x-office should have explored a cloud that was literally killing the characters in their books and interrupting there stories while the writers and editors on the other side got have casino fun and other stories as though they were in a completely different universe but then should be given credit for doing something they never did. The painted themselves into a corner and now that Marvel has the right back and X-men are the big thing again they are paying the price for their utter ignoring of it.

And the x-men did show good humans as late as bendis run but the favor was never returned in other offices.

[MyriVerse]

Wouldn't put it past them. It's very clear that the Krakoans are being written as the villains.

[sensormellow]

I kinda feel like this is a trick question

[Marvell2100]

I posted something similar a few days back, but most solo Avengers have stories or crossovers with the X-Men that highlight their opposition to anti-mutant racism. So the idea that the mainstream MU ignores the mutant narrative outright or is actively anti-mutant is a stretch. Now X-fans can be mad that they aren’t seeing the mutant struggle enough in other books, but that’s a separate complaint from the Avengers being oblivious to their problems. And even then I still put the onus on the X-office to display good humans (not “focus” on them). Whether or not Iron man was punching out Purifiers the last decade didn’t affect the fact that the X-office wrote itself into a corner with an over saturation of human racism. The insane levels of vitriol toward mutants in the X-books is what needs to be addressed, not how frequently non X-books choose to prove that their heroes aren’t anti-mutant.

So much this. Like you said, the X-Writers have painted themselves into a corner. There is no such thing as an empathic human in today's X-books of mutant hate.

And again, to lay blame at the feet of the Avengers or any other heroes for not helping mutants is unfair. Marvel wanted to have the X-Men hated and persecuted by everyone. This is how they are making their money.

If they wanted the Avengers to have a good relationship with mutants, they would write those stories like they've done in the past.