Black Panther Appreciation 2020

[butterflykyss]

So let me see if I understand this correctly. Based solely on what another poster, X-Pac, has said and without you ever reading the stories yourself, you have come to the conclusion that the actions taken in these stories are by far worse than treehouse rape camps, Wakanda being reduced to a a third world country and T'Challa cavorting with dictators and Wakandans killing each other in a civil war.

Ok, nice to know.

And if you were a regular participant in this thread in the past, you would know that every writer who has ever written a BP comic has received criticism, even some of the most revered writers in BP history. And that same poster that you're fond of quoting has been known to contradict himself on occasion.

I have been in the Storm thread and I've seen the same criticisms leveled at writers who didn't portray Storm in the way many of her fans prefer that you seem to have issue with in this thread.

Perhaps it's best if the hypocrisy is left at the door when entering this thread.

I've read Xpac posts on this forum for years now and I know he is a very knowledgable BP fan. So his description as described most certainly is worse and I can think of others. That said, how has Wakanda been reduced to a 3rd world country under coates? The idea of rape is not something specific to wakanka or even 3rd world countries for that matter. Its unfortunately experienced across the globe so coates showing the dark places men generally can go at times I found to be good storytelling. It would be no different of people writing on sex trafficking that occurs in countries like the US and Europe. The thing is for all of the criticism some give coates, he didnt reduce wakanda to rubble. He wasnt the one who wrote wakanda being conquered by external hostiles for the first time ever. Wakanda was destroyed under Hickman and reduced to nothing when the universes collided, mayberry wrote its border infiltrated by doom and the "civil war" of the desturi government, so people fighting within the country and tchalla working with a dictator who he didnt know for sure was one I dont think comes close to what we saw there.

What does the occasional instances of talking about other writers have to do with this discussion in relation to coates? ok so you've criticized other writers. this topic was about writers who have written far more damaging things about wakanda and its mythos than coates has been perceived to have done. xpac drawing attention to moments that he believe to be far worse by the hands of other writers, which I happen to agree with, is fair game. Moreover, whatever contradictory posts he may have made doesnt discount the point he made in regards to more egregious acts occurring under previous writers.

lol.. what does storm and what goes on in her thread have to do with a poster making a valid argument about other bp writers? I've never said Coates couldnt be criticized but, as I mentioned, wakanda being reduced to ash as captured by Hickman is far worse than anything coates has done. what mayberry wrote in doomwar is far worse than anything coates has done to wakanda. yet all i see when i come to this thread are comments about coates so please miss me with the unnecessary shade of being a regular participant. just because you don't see me post doesnt mean I'm not privy to the discussions had here and the predominant discussions I've seen are about how bad coates is for the BP mythos (I think wakanda being reduced to nothing and vibranium being made inert by way of doom outsmarting tchalla to be far worse but misery loves company. you guys have at it). in fact I was taken to task in previous versions of this thread about bringing up storm yet when I lurk here discussion seem to go back to her somehow. I think that is actually more hypocritical than anything you've seen me do in this thread, wouldnt you agree? so perhaps try looking at one's self before commenting on the words of another when entering this thread. pot and kettle my friend, remember that.

at any rate, dont conclude I'm being hypocritical because I dont align to a lot of the hate coates receive here. xpac makes a great point about other things that could be considered "worse" than what coates has done including the works of Hickman and mayberry. people should be able to agree and disagree in the regard without being charged as hypocrites.

#wakandaforever

Considering the fact that as you've admitted, your knowledge of BP lore in its entirety, is sporadic to non-existant, you're the last person who should be passing meaningful commentary on said lore in this thread.

Coates is literally the worst writer bar none of I have ever written anything BP related and the day he's finally gone from the mythos alongside all of his worthless retcons, will be a very good day.

Coates much like any other writer who's taken liberties with the BP mythos over the years, gets called out in the regular in here because he's that bad of a writer.

With the exception of one or at the most, two people posting in this thread, 97% of the readers posting herein, recognise Coates for the wilfully destructive individual that he's been as regards his complete and utter derailment of the BP solo for close to four years now.

But for readers like yourself, he gets high praise for using T'Challa's SOLO book as a platform to elevate Storm, a character that has been rendered irrelevant and without overarching agency over in the X-Verse for so many years post AvX.

An X-Verse which for all intents and purposes has now become quite supremacist to levels rarely before seen outside of Hydra.

To be quite honest, in the aftermath of what's been going on in the X-books as well as X-Men/FF #1, Storm's mutant supremacist self really has no business taking up space within the BP solo or further involvement with the BP mythos moving forward.

It's funny how you personally complain about Storm being written out of character in X-books and then come over here to dismiss the concerns of Black Panther enthusiasts who understand the characters importance and remain thoroughly informed as to his characterization and traits, dating back to his creation in 1966.

We get the BP mythos chapter and verse in here because practically all of us regardless of age, ethnicity, gender or orientation, are genuine appreciators of T'Challa's pedigree as well as the uniqueness of his origins.

We don't need or expect any writer to elevate T'Challa to faux godhood especially in someone else's book or another franchise.

All we require is for T'Challa to he written in character and for his actual supporting cast to equally be portrayed in their pre-Coates derailment agenda, glory.

It's really that simple.

Coates should try pushing that Rape Camp trope over in the X-Verse and see how far he gets with that before being shut down with the quickness, but according to you, he's written nothing on par with Jerome Dickey's unnecessary retcon of T'Challa and Ororo's teenage years.

Most of us aren't on that goalpost moving, mental gymnastics process of disinformation favoured by a distinct minority of posters in this thread.

I completely missed this. was the description xpac made in his post incorrect? if it wasn't then this entire post is invalid. but I will try to be succinct in my response.

I admitted the entirety of my knowledge is based on others posts? seriously stop it. we dont have to agree but let's not make egregious posts for the sake of it because you dont like what I said.

a lot of what you've said in regards to other writers I covered in my response to marvell. if you care to see my thoughts here please see above.

the other 3% who posts here have every right to express their thoughts on other writers being far worse than coates. what is the issue here? I'm not going to debate my thoughts on why I like coates, it's not going to change your mind either way even if I chose to.



to your point on mutant supremacy, if you're been reading xmen and still concluding storm is a mutant supremacist then you clearly haven't been reading all of the story being told. you talk about what's funny but what I find more hilarious is that im frank with my knowledge or lack thereof in relation to wakanda/bp yet you try to act as if you are the authority here as it relates to storm? seriously? lol ok have fun with that. again I won't argue with you as your conclusion shows where you're lacking as it relates to her and the complexities of the new status quo.


again how do my thoughts on storm have to do with anything we're talking about here? I've been reading BP books roughly since BP and ororo were married. just looking at that period from now I dont think what coates has done is the worst thing wakanda has experienced. you dont have to agree or like it but those are my thoughts which I'm more than entitled to have.

To your point about the rape trope you think coates was the first writer to touch on rape in the entirety of marvel mythos? Coates doesn't need to come to the xverse to do that as its already been done. But let me step back you, you've schooled me on ororo being a mutant supremacist so I'm sure I dont need to go into rape as it relates to her mythos. let's move on.

Dickey bastardized already established canon and rewrote it to something not even recognizable to tchallas benefit (thank the yao it was retconned back). Whether or not you like, Coates chose to add another layer to the wakanda society that I dont believe was ever touched upon. to me that's a huge difference there. nevertheless, if you care to know things I thought to be worse simply scroll up to my response to marvell.


I'm used to being in the minority in some aspects of my life so your offer is one I will certainly continue to do as I see fit.

#wakandaforever