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Depends what you mean by lacking. If there are literally no black female leads anywhere in the MCU, a person can credibly argue that a black female presence is lacking regardless of how many black female side kicks there are.
It's like arguing we didn't need a BP movie because we had Falcon and War Machine. Falcon was great (War Machine not so much), but having black male lead character was still a big deal regardless of how many black male side kicks marvel had running around. And I think the people pushing for a black female lead feel the same way.
*yawn*
I'm reading a lot of posts about agendas, but not a whole lot about what's best for the story/setting/characters.
And really that's all that matters, since whatever Coogler does will be beneficial in the long run.
Whatever decision Coogler makes will benefit the direction he takes going forward, and the people not getting what they want will just have to live with that.
That said, there are a lot of very workable directions to take, so it's an unfortunate but nonetheless interesting position for Coogler to be in.
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t'challa gotta deal with the positive and negative repercussions of trying to help other countries.
"You're a good man with a good heart. And it's hard for a good man to be king"
Gotta ride that out. That is the central question to T'challa.
First movie is the easy part. T'challa was a good man with a good heart.
But does doing what he did make him a good king of Wakanda? Gotta find out
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Yeah and that's stupid with what your saying about Steve, or strange, or IM or any movie really that allows a character with minimal training to all of a sudden be the best especially since when it came to Steve, he didn't even complete basic training. Infact, the BP movie ensured this didn't happen by already having T'Challa BE the BP and the comic saying he has been the BP for 10 years already. So this whole montage nonsense doesn't apply because he is established. That's what separates BP from the average Marvel movie is that it avoided a lot of those tropes associated with this. And again, of later down the road they decide to have Shuri take the mantle then they can build her towards that organically instead of montaging it up for convenience
Its arguably stupid that she can be prepared to be BP in a single movie. But frankly it's stupid that they didn't properly prepare her for it in the first place. So I'm okay with a retcon that makes them look less stupid. It's getting her to where she should be in the first place.
This. Chadwick inspired millions around the world to want to be Black Panther but now, all of a sudden actors are scared of the responsibility to take that role? That's bullsh!t.
If anything, that will inspire actors to want to step in and honor the legacy that Chadwick began. There are no shortages of good Black male actors who can step up.
But it's not a black female superhero franchise. Its a black male superhero franchise. That what we keep saying. You want she to lead a franchise? Make a SHURI movie. Batgirl, super girl, they branched off on their own. You don't cannibalize a franchise because in the end your taking one away from the other. You push for more representation. That's what T'Chadwick was doing and people want to Honor that by... Doing the exact thing he was trying to get hollywood away from? Its like MOS said, if they are making a shang chi movie, you don't think they can't make a Black female led movie? Where are all then Storm fans? She is one of the most known black female characters out there and has been around for decade's. Where's her push to get her own movie ( instead of trying t hamfist her into the BP movie like people suggested)? See people only care when it suits their agenda, and it has nothing to do with respecting Chadwick because of it did the conversation of getting rid of T'Challa for Shuri wouldn't of been happening right after the Solo dropped.
So again this isn't us saying Black women do t need representation, everyone should, however, do t cannibalize BPs franchise when it's already doing leaps and bounds more for Black women (with 3 of them) then other movie's have done
It just annoys me that some people who aren't big T'Challa fans to begin think the know what's good for the character and franchise. Of course they wouldn't mind replacing or shelving both. These same people would balk if the likes of Batman, Wonder Woman, Captain America, Spidey, Iron man .etc had fell under similar circumstances and the studios toyed with getting rid of the characters completely.
Coogler has been working on a script for a year with T'Challa still as lead and focus. With that in mind, it would be best to continue with the character.
Focus on what Themes were set up in the first movie. Show how (recasted) T'Challa deals with the fallouts of IW, opening up the world, other super powers and the invasion of Wakanda (probably the first time They were invaded) and what happens when their king and BP, and head of the WDG got snapped. I have said multiple times what I think would be best and it's not retiring T'Challa on some "honoring" Chadwick BS. Because he set the foundation, like Priest did in the comics and inspired million's and I bet there are some who want to continue the legacy and inspire million's as I think when you get into the acting business, especially the superhero genre, that's the goal ultimately.
And, here's what's also important, spinoff Shuri into her own franchise. The ending of BP1 was freaking spinoff fuel anyway. Adventures with that outreach program. She'd just need another character to play the foil so she can have more "what are THOSE!" moments. It could be Kasper, it could be an existing/made up character, but it would still be HER movie.
I'm telling you, if this were an A-list non-black hero this would not even be a discussion, at least not to this degree. If Robert Pattison died before being able to complete The Batman 2, there wouldn't be a huge clamoring for Robin to take the role (assuming he was introduced prior). If Jason Mamoa got outed for sexual assault and had to pull out of Aquaman few would be calling for Kaldur or Ocean Master to take his place. If Tom Holland was in a coma people wouldn't be demanding that Miles take the role and completely write out Peter.
Because people have a firm understanding of the fact that those characters transcend individual actors and that they're too iconic to have their cinematic stories left incomplete. But for many comic fans with a weak understanding of the character, T'Challa and his story are interchangeable with Shuri, Killmonger, Nakia, Okoye, and Kaspar Cole's.
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I get that. The only thing on the horizon for black women is the *rumor* of Riri showing up....somewhere, sometime, probably a few years from now at the earliest. Not much to inspire confidence. Black women desperately need and deserve more representation than they're getting; they rarely even get to be the "black sidekick." And this is a problem everywhere; hell the game Overwatch, which prides itself on its diverse cast, has been around for four years, has over thirty characters, and the first playable black woman isn't gonna arrive until the sequel, which doesn't even have a release date yet. I don't begrudge the folks saying that Shuri should take over for T'Challa, you take what you can get. I don't really agree with the notion but I get where it's coming from.
But I disagree with the notion that characters like Spectrum and Storm have zero-to-little chance of larger media solo adaptations. The MCU was *built* on B-list heroes and have turned D-list characters like Ant-Man and the Guardians of the Galaxy into household names. It's really not as unlikely as people seem to think it is that other characters like Misty or Monica could find their way into projects of their own. I mean, who the hell expected them to announce Moon Knight last year? You never know who the MCU will throw at you next.
And has anyone even mentioned the possibility of a Shuri solo project where she *doesn't* have to dress up like her brother? Shuri was popular enough that she doesn't need the Panther mantle to be successful.
And my point remains that we shouldn't be fighting over the table scraps of one franchise. We should be united in demanding more than one black lead hero from Marvel, not fighting among ourselves over who gets the unenviable task of filling king Chadwick's sneak-ers.
"We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another, as if we were one single tribe."
~ Black Panther.