Black Panther Appreciation 2020

[MindofShadow]

In my opinion.

Wakanda is the most advanced civilization humanity has produced.
Wakanda has a technology and resources UNIQUE to them, science and magic UNIQUE to them.
Wakanda, not Latveria, is the most dangerous nation on Earth, to anyone who is not Wakandan.
A baseline Wakandan soldier is equal to or superior to a baseline ninja from the Hand.
ANY random Dora Milajae is in Elektra or Iron Fist's fight class. Elite Dora are not to be attacked.
Nearly every Wakandan is in peak human physical condition. By normal standards nearly every Wakandan is close to olympic class fit.
The Wakandan spy network TERRIFIES those of the rest of the world good or evil. No one wants ANY of banging up against that.

Wakanda predates the concept of "Africa."
Everyone who is not Wakandan falls under the heading "Barbarian."

What they are not is gods or demigods. The WEAKEST Asgardian is stronger than the strongest Wakandan. The science of the the Shi'ar, Kree and Skrulls can, at the least, give Wakanda a run for its money. The Phoenix beat Wakanda's ass.

Reed Richards is the smartest baseline human on Earth.
Lunella Lafayette is the smartest enhanced human on Earth.

T'Challa, Shuri, Hank Pym, Dr. Doom, Tony Stark and a few others are all in the same intellectual weight class but each has a wildly different focus. Of the lot, Doom and Shuri are closest to Reed Richards and Lunnella in approach. They are, by far, the most dangerous minds on Earth, not T'Challa.

These are some fo the things I think. But, if the company disagrees, any or all of them INSTANTLY become fanfic.

Because that's how it works when you don't OWN something.

[MindofShadow]

I can agree with that. Despite my earlier post, I cannot deny that T'Challa's lows are qualitatively lower than any of the other characters mentioned, but his highs are not only not proportionately higher, but on average much lower.

I cannot remember a BP arc (in the last several years, anyway) that ends on a clean moment of triumph. It's always pyrrhic or nuanced.

OTOH, I can easily recall several Spider-man or Daredevil arcs that ends with them swinging off into the sunrise.

See Wakanda and Die is all I really can think of. And it was just an event tie in.

Who is the Black Panther ends rather emphatically I suppose. But once again, it was a six issue mini.

When you start looking at "long arcs"... I got nothing.

[Ezyo1000]

I can agree with that. Despite my earlier post, I cannot deny that T'Challa's lows are qualitatively lower than any of the other characters mentioned, but his highs are not only not proportionately higher, but on average much lower.

I cannot remember a BP arc (in the last several years, anyway) that ends on a clean moment of triumph. It's always pyrrhic or nuanced.

OTOH, I can easily recall several Spider-man or Daredevil arcs that ends with them swinging off into the sunrise.

Unfortunately this is the case. No e of his runs have ended with him Ontop at the end. He was maybe on the road to rise but then it ended leaving a incomplete feeling

[Ezyo1000]

In my opinion.

Wakanda is the most advanced civilization humanity has produced.
Wakanda has a technology and resources UNIQUE to them, science and magic UNIQUE to them.
Wakanda, not Latveria, is the most dangerous nation on Earth, to anyone who is not Wakandan.
A baseline Wakandan soldier is equal to or superior to a baseline ninja from the Hand.
ANY random Dora Milajae is in Elektra or Iron Fist's fight class. Elite Dora are not to be attacked.
Nearly every Wakandan is in peak human physical condition. By normal standards nearly every Wakandan is close to olympic class fit.
The Wakandan spy network TERRIFIES those of the rest of the world good or evil. No one wants ANY of banging up against that.

Wakanda predates the concept of "Africa."
Everyone who is not Wakandan falls under the heading "Barbarian."

What they are not is gods or demigods. The WEAKEST Asgardian is stronger than the strongest Wakandan. The science of the the Shi'ar, Kree and Skrulls can, at the least, give Wakanda a run for its money. The Phoenix beat Wakanda's ass.

Reed Richards is the smartest baseline human on Earth.
Lunella Lafayette is the smartest enhanced human on Earth.

T'Challa, Shuri, Hank Pym, Dr. Doom, Tony Stark and a few others are all in the same intellectual weight class but each has a wildly different focus. Of the lot, Doom and Shuri are closest to Reed Richards and Lunnella in approach. They are, by far, the most dangerous minds on Earth, not T'Challa.

These are some fo the things I think. But, if the company disagrees, any or all of them INSTANTLY become fanfic.

Because that's how it works when you don't OWN something.

Coming back to this, a burning question is, if this is how powerful Wakanda and it's people are. What type of threat's without giving out too much, would Wakanda face? Obviously the super skrulls would be apart of the mix, but for home-grown villains how would you elevate them to be a threat to T'Challa, or Wakanda?

[Redjack]

Coming back to this, a burning question is, if this is how powerful Wakanda and it's people are. What type of threat's without giving out too much, would Wakanda face? Obviously the super skrulls would be apart of the mix, but for home-grown villains how would you elevate them to be a threat to T'Challa, or Wakanda?

the story i want to tell doesn't involve anything you've seen before. it involves a host of new characters, deeply embedded in Wakanda and its traditions. it puts Wakanda's status as a reluctant world power at center stage and its driven by the paradigm shift T'Chaka inspired by opening the country to the world.

it would take three years to play out.

as i've said, it's the only story i want to tell. if there is a hope of ever getting the book (and no on one has offered me that or even mentioned that) it's the only story i want to tell. if not that, this tie in will be the last time i mess with T'Challa in comics.

[Marvell2100]

I can agree with that. Despite my earlier post, I cannot deny that T'Challa's lows are qualitatively lower than any of the other characters mentioned, but his highs are not only not proportionately higher, but on average much lower.

I cannot remember a BP arc (in the last several years, anyway) that ends on a clean moment of triumph. It's always pyrrhic or nuanced.

OTOH, I can easily recall several Spider-man or Daredevil arcs that ends with them swinging off into the sunrise.

Arcs with straight up no bs wins? The Client and MDMA.

I would even give him the outright win vs Swordsman in Empyre.

That's all I got right now.

[Cville]

Arcs with straight up no bs wins? The Client and MDMA.

I would even give him the outright win vs Swordsman in Empyre.

That's all I got right now.

Pretty much all the Hudlin arcs ended in a win. And the ones that didn't were meant to set up the next big story. FF, Killmonger, (but he prepped the audience by saying beating him wasn't the plan)and Shuri becomes BP.

And that's becuase he wasn't writing one serial story. It was stories with beginnings and endings.

[DigiCom]

Pretty much all the Hudlin arcs ended in a win. And the ones that didn't were meant to set up the next big story. FF, Killmonger, (but he prepped the audience by saying beating him wasn't the plan)and Shuri becomes BP.

And that's becuase he wasn't writing one serial story. It was stories with beginnings and endings.

It's not about winning. It's about rising out of the darkness.

Perhaps the first great deconstruction arc of the modern era as Frank Miller's Born Again in DAREDEVIL. And this was how it ended:



Bright sunlight, everyone smiling. It's a moment of light after all the darkness.

I've seen very few moments of light in BP comics over the years.

[XPac]

I cannot get down with that at all. T'Challa NOT being one of the most dangerous minds on Earth takes away a large part of the character for me. For me, for a character like T'Challa, being the most dangerous man alive and having the most dangerous mind on Earth go hand-in-hand. But that's just me.

Based purely on feats, I always felt Doom has to be considered the most dangerous being on earth. He's literally beaten and become the most powreful being in the universe twice ... that's hard for anyone to top. Only Thanos can, but you can't really say Thanos qualifies as being from earth.

Still, T'Challa is up there. His combination of intelligence and resources puts him at least close to the top of the list.

[Ezyo1000]

the story i want to tell doesn't involve anything you've seen before. it involves a host of new characters, deeply embedded in Wakanda and its traditions. it puts Wakanda's status as a reluctant world power at center stage and its driven by the paradigm shift T'Chaka inspired by opening the country to the world.

it would take three years to play out.

as i've said, it's the only story i want to tell. if there is a hope of ever getting the book (and no on one has offered me that or even mentioned that) it's the only story i want to tell. if not that, this tie in will be the last time i mess with T'Challa in comics.

Well here's hoping that Marvel green lights such a thing. God knows we all have been waiting for T'Challa to be treated with the same level of respect and care as his other A list peers

[Redjack]

Based purely on feats, I always felt Doom has to be considered the most dangerous being on earth. He's literally beaten and become the most powreful being in the universe twice ... that's hard for anyone to top. Only Thanos can, but you can't really say Thanos qualifies as being from earth.

Still, T'Challa is up there. His combination of intelligence and resources puts him at least close to the top of the list.

for sheer providential for destruction i think you have to give it to doom because he's the most reckless. he's an entirely ego-driven villain and doesn't care about anything but himself and his own vain goals. sort of like if Trump was actually a genius at something.

T'Challa's the most lethal man because against any foe or team of enemies, he is going to be the most ruthless decisive victor.

[Ezyo1000]

Based purely on feats, I always felt Doom has to be considered the most dangerous being on earth. He's literally beaten and become the most powreful being in the universe twice ... that's hard for anyone to top. Only Thanos can, but you can't really say Thanos qualifies as being from earth.

Still, T'Challa is up there. His combination of intelligence and resources puts him at least close to the top of the list.

Not talking about feats though, more of a mindset or a calling card. Like Reeds "Smartest man alive", or the hulks "strongest there is" or Gamora's "Deadliest woman in the galaxy" or how whenever isht goes down in DC and they are like how did bruce do that? "Because he is Batman" T'Challa ish and should be, "The most dangerous man alive" based on what he is capable of.

[Ezyo1000]

for sheer providential for destruction i think you have to give it to doom because he's the most reckless. he's an entirely ego-driven villain and doesn't care about anything but himself and his own vain goals. sort of like if Trump was actually a genius at something.

T'Challa's the most lethal man because against any foe or team of enemies, he is going to be the most ruthless decisive victor.

So the question is, what alias would he get? The most dangerous man alive, (MDMA) or the most lethal man alive (MLMA)?

[DigiCom]

So the question is, what alias would he get? The most dangerous man alive, (MDMA) or the most lethal man alive (MLMA)?

Most Awesome Man Alive?

[Marvell2100]

So the question is, what alias would he get? The most dangerous man alive, (MDMA) or the most lethal man alive (MLMA)?

Most Awesome Man Alive?

Gentleman, The Most Awesomely Dangerously Lethal Person Alive. Don't limit him.