I understand why some people don't like it but I generally agree with this.
and yes... Namor should have died. 100%. I would die on that hill lol.
to an extent sure
But he's also been one of hte few level headed members at time (like not wanting ot send the hulk off).
He is also king of 70% of the earth... kinda makes him important.
And without him, there would be no comics thanks to him being willing to pull the trigger lol
This was explained in story why he didn't.If T'Challa saw the incursions he should do what was in his character and alert all his allies and the MCU community.
I'll allow criticism that Shuri should have been told (but she wasn't because no on cares about Shuri lol) but it was explained why he didn't tell the rest of the heroes.
They would have done what Cap did. Which was stop them from considering blowing up planets. Because the illuminati all thought there were bad asses and logical and could "do what needed to be done" until it actually came to the point it was needed. That was the whole point of the story.
Only Namor's arrogant ass could do it and even then... he couldn't do it forever. He ate at him because he wasn't evil like Thanos and the Black Order.
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Yea. Everyone thinks that it is the wise choice to alert the rest of the Marvel Universe but doing so would have caused mass chaos. Imagine all of the semi intelligent villains and heroes on Earth trying to solve the problem themselves. Or just normal civilians reaction to knowing their world is gonna die at any time. Random organizations and ppl Putting things together that they think will work or trying to stop the super intelligent people from doing whatever they think needs to be done which ended up being blowing up planets LOL it would have been chaos. This was the type of situation that should have been handled on a need-to-know basis. We can argue that more people needed to know for sure (I cant think of any) but definitely not everybody. They clearly shouldn't even have invited Captain America into the conversation.
We saw what Doom did once he found out.
They had the brightest Minds working on it there was really no need for anyone else
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It was contrived and dumb just like Doomwar. T'Challa made the same mistake T'Chaka did in the BP movie. He's better than that. The Illuminati ultimately failed, even with Namor's actions. Doom saved reality (sort of). The entire story was just a vehicle to set up a big Reed Richards and Doctor Doom face off and T'Challa was along for the ride.
They might not have done what Cap did. Just write a better story. The run took a core tenant of BP's character, a pearl of wisdom he had learned over time through his reign and king and dealing with the Avengers and straight-up ignored it so we could get this drama-filled Game of Thrones story arc.
From Stan Lee & Jack Kirby to Don McGregor to Kurt Busiek to Christopher Priest to Reggie Hudlin, to the theatrical movie. T'Challa's character was written and has evolved a certain way. If he's written in a way that contradicts the core of his character I'm gonna call it out regardless if he gets cool moments along the way. The standard is high because the character deserves it.
The J-man
He will if/when Vin gets to play him in live action
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I don’t like he idea of TChalla needing help to kill someone. Makes him seem weaker to me. If he gets help to make the plot more interesting in some way, I guess, otherwise, people already underestimate him enough.
Counterpoint to this particular example:
Wakanda was obliterated. T'challa was on the run with a small group of people more focused on stopping/researching Incursions. He kept to himself that he was planning on murdering Namor.
He didn't have access to his usual resources in order to concoct a way to kill someone who, on the surface, is way stronger and way more durable than T'challa is.
Not like before Wakanda was obliterated, he went, "let me go grab my anti-Namor dust real quick guys" lol
enter the murder agreement with Black Bolt lol.
Only thing out of character was delaying pressing the planet blow up bottom to Namor would wake up.
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Namor vs T'challa where T'challa gets 10 mins of prep time in Wakanda is an L for namor 10/10. BP's have been putting Namor on his ass for 100 years now lol.
IF I were the re-write that scene, I would have changed it. That stupid dagger would have had some mystical properties to it (if it was really as important as Hickman wanted it to be) that would have evened the playing field with Namor. And then BP would have beat his ass and killed him.
But, in the context of the scene, i'm cool with him using BB. I'm not cool with him delaying blowing up the planet to kill them all. That was just plot induced stupidity. It screamed that editorial wouldn't allow BP to get his moment there for some reason. Especially considering SW was bringing everyone back alive anyway. I don't get it.
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I think it was fine,. BUT: T'Challa should of shown beating Black dwarf on panel (which would of allowed him to beat him in IW) he should of been allowed to make good on his promise and kill Namor (especially since Namor died by Doom, was brought back and killed off in a d list team book) and when he fought god Doom he should of been left standing but unable to fight (standing tall based on sheer will power) and Doom should of been bloodier. Oh and when Maximus was giving his King vs hero speech, T'Challa, like Black bolt, should of beaten the Batman analogue. Those are the 4 things that should of happened and I would of been good. Seriously black bolt for the most kill shots/ action of all
Yeah, I would of made it short and sweet. He stabs him, Namor taunts him, then all of a sudden he is weak in the knees and feeling the effects, T'Challa stabs him again, for his sister, another for Wakanda, and then walks away as BB blows him off the platform. Namor is still alive when Thanos and Co find him, but he is dying due to the wounds received by T'Challa preventing him from being able to heal. Thanos and Co leave him and go to the next incursion point and Namor dies cursing T'Challas name.