T'Challa: The Black Panther Appreciation 2021

[MindofShadow]

And what would y'all say makes it's not a BP movie? Everything that took place revolved around T'Challa. Everyone loves quirky one liner characters. Hell people loved T'Challa so much in cw because he was this quiet character that was in terminator mode... That wasn't able to do anything. But in polls he was one of the most interesting characters in the movie and cap was low on the poll. BUT cap drove the moves. Same with BP. Yeah Shuri is quippy and Okoye is badass, but those aren't enough traits to drive a movie. Chad wore multiple hats, and between him and Erik were the most fleshed out. My ONLY problems with the film are that they didn't established clearly that T'Challa was a super genius, and that he wasn't pushing the idea of Wakanda opening up and it came from Nakia instead.

People always overrated side characters in these movies. I don't know why that is, I think a huge part of it is the rise of amateur reviewers and it is easy to sound like you know what you are talking about when you go, "XYZ SIDE CHARACTER STOLE THE SHOW!!" Plus I think it is comic nerds just being excited a new comic character showed up.

And it ends up being 8 minutes of screentime, 7 minutes of it was action lol.

It happened with Black Panther in CW too... but at least he had a mini arc.

Okoye, Nakia, W'kabi, Killmonger had zero arc at all. They were the same from minute 1 to minute 120. M'baku had a mini arc, as much as you can have in 5 minutes lol. Which is fine... because they were all support character... supporting T'challa. Who actually changed throughout the movie. Because he was the main character.

[Marvell2100]

Killmonger needed the talking up because there was no reason an american black ops dude should be on T'challa's level.

We saw T'challa fight super soldier Cap neutral, fuck up super solidder Bucky more than once including when bucky was in killer mode, and mess up shield agent Clint.

We saw T'challa run through the nigerian bad guys with ease.

We saw T'challa in Korea.

We heard T'challa say what he was "passed down from warrior to warrior"

We saw T'challa beat M'baku.

Does the audience really need spoon fed about T'challa's training? He was the top warrior in a warrior nation... a nation that decides the crown based on a fight near a waterfall for godsake lol.

Killmonger, on the otherhand, we saw do nothign but shoot his GF and Klaw. You needed a narrative information dump to tell us why he would even have a chance.

Is the general audience really this dumb that we need training montages lol?

[Marvell2100]

I just want to drop this cool depiction of TChalla and the Dora. There’s only one depiction I’ve ever seen that was better than this one.

Another reminder of Doom War. Sadness and disgust.

[chief12d]

People always overrated side characters in these movies. I don't know why that is, I think a huge part of it is the rise of amateur reviewers and it is easy to sound like you know what you are talking about when you go, "XYZ SIDE CHARACTER STOLE THE SHOW!!" Plus I think it is comic nerds just being excited a new comic character showed up.

And it ends up being 8 minutes of screentime, 7 minutes of it was action lol.

It happened with Black Panther in CW too... but at least he had a mini arc.

Okoye, Nakia, W'kabi, Killmonger had zero arc at all. They were the same from minute 1 to minute 120. M'baku had a mini arc, as much as you can have in 5 minutes lol. Which is fine... because they were all support character... supporting T'challa. Who actually changed throughout the movie. Because he was the main character.

T’Challa is a straight man character, he doesn’t quip and while he can be affable with a dry wit, he’s mostly a very serious, thoughtful dude. His supporting cast ideally should be the comedic ones because it’s hard to create a great superhero film nowadays without at least some humor and non-dramatic heart. The MCU’s bread and butter is lighthearted fun and empty quips so I think the audience has kinda evolved to a point where characters that provide that can naturally gain an audience, regardless of their actual level of development or capabilities.

So Shuri, M’Baku, and Okoye have a bit more “accessibility” than T’Challa, even if they’re not nearly as complex as him. This isn’t unique to T’Challa though, Doctor Strange never really saw huge support until he got put in scenes with Iron Man and Spidey, where he could be a bit more human and even get a few jokes off. I’d argue his film is purely carried by its visual spectacle but other than that he needed a stronger set of people to interact with, which Infinity War delivered on. Thor needed to be put in a buddy cop film with Hulk before he finally had a half decent movie and even then they massively changed his personality to make him work.

From the jump T’Challa’s interactions with his supporting cast elevated everyone involved, including him. His sibling dynamic with Shuri, his budding bromance with M’Baku, etc. And the sheer size and specificity of T’Challa’s supporting cast made it so they all had a lane they could thrive in coupled with the personality to gain casual fans (who as I said, gravitate towards characters that have a bunch of jokes). It’s a recipe for a franchise with a strong lead, but an almost equally engaging supporting cast. Like Star Wars or Lord of the Rings. You normally don’t see that in MCU films, hell even superhero films in general. Which isn’t even getting into the talent attached to those roles and how pound for pound Black Panther arguably had the strongest set of actors ever put in an MCU movie with veterans and newcomers all delivering damn fine performances. So while I agree that in certain circles the BP side characters are overrated, they definitely were stronger and better utilized than most, which feels different than most solo superhero movies.

[Ekie]

And what would y'all say makes it's not a BP movie? Everything that took place revolved around T'Challa. Everyone loves quirky one liner characters. Hell people loved T'Challa so much in cw because he was this quiet character that was in terminator mode... That wasn't able to do anything. But in polls he was one of the most interesting characters in the movie and cap was low on the poll. BUT cap drove the moves. Same with BP. Yeah Shuri is quippy and Okoye is badass, but those aren't enough traits to drive a movie. Chad wore multiple hats, and between him and Erik were the most fleshed out. My ONLY problems with the film are that they didn't established clearly that T'Challa was a super genius, and that he wasn't pushing the idea of Wakanda opening up and it came from Nakia instead.

He was used to centralize Coolgers black dysphoria story but the story never seemed to be about him personally, his past, or what made him the man he was and why he is special. Instead what made him special was dispersed to his supporting cast. Shuri now responsible for wakandan advancement (the biggest error, and the reason why we have ppl begging for her suddenly) as well as being the clearly stated genius rather than a slightly hinted at one . Nakia the one responsible for world outreach and spent the movie trying to convince him that it's a good idea. Okoye the lead Warrior on the battlefield even though Tchalla was a very capable fighter in the movie a the clearly stated untill... Michael b killmonger shows up with his us military training and turns him into an is this your king memewhether by hook or crook.


And then theres Michael B Jordan.....i could post an entire article but ill just say we got a better story about his childhood and sympathetic storyline involving the death of his father than we did Tchalla. Saw him in more flashbacks to add backstory and depth than we did the titular character. Villain building is great but did he really need to be the one to kill Klaw?

Cooglers story was great just shouldn't have been an first movie for Black Panther. It was drivin by a narrative he wanted to tell about black displacement instead of being an introduction to the character named Black Panther. He did introduce Wakanda well.

[Ekie]

Killmonger needed the talking up because there was no reason an american black ops dude should be on T'challa's level.

We saw T'challa fight super soldier Cap neutral, fuck up super solidder Bucky more than once including when bucky was in killer mode, and mess up shield agent Clint.

We saw T'challa run through the nigerian bad guys with ease.

We saw T'challa in Korea.

We heard T'challa say what he was "passed down from warrior to warrior"

We saw T'challa beat M'baku.

Does the audience really need spoon fed about T'challa's training? He was the top warrior in a warrior nation... a nation that decides the crown based on a fight near a waterfall for godsake lol.

Killmonger, on the otherhand, we saw do nothign but shoot his GF and Klaw. You needed a narrative information dump to tell us why he would even have a chance.

Is the general audience really this dumb that we need training montages lol?

Yes...yes they are. We have ppl rooting for Mbaku the Man Ape to be ruler of Wakanda and the lead character of the franchise.

The general audience has no idea why Tchalla is special other than he was born first. We know why as longtime supporters.

[Ezyo1000]

Killmonger needed the talking up because there was no reason an american black ops dude should be on T'challa's level.

We saw T'challa fight super soldier Cap neutral, fuck up super solidder Bucky more than once including when bucky was in killer mode, and mess up shield agent Clint.

We saw T'challa run through the nigerian bad guys with ease.

We saw T'challa in Korea.

We heard T'challa say what he was "passed down from warrior to warrior"

We saw T'challa beat M'baku.

Does the audience really need spoon fed about T'challa's training? He was the top warrior in a warrior nation... a nation that decides the crown based on a fight near a waterfall for godsake lol.

Killmonger, on the otherhand, we saw do nothign but shoot his GF and Klaw. You needed a narrative information dump to tell us why he would even have a chance.

Is the general audience really this dumb that we need training montages lol?

Honestly, I feel most people act ignorant to it because we didn't see wasted screen time of T'Challa "montaging" to get to the level like we saw with Cap or Tony.

But it's like the folks who claimed Okoye is somehow a better fighter than T'Challa because of Nakias comment that Okoye was the greatest warrior in Wakanda (when they assumed T'Challa was dead) and ran with that based on the comment and somehow the casino scene that she was better when it was extremely clear who was the most superior fighter on the movie.

Coogler may have dropped the ball in showcasing T'Challa the super genius, and him being the driving force to Open Wakanda, bit he certainly didn't nerf the warrior side of T'Challa at all.

[Golden Guardian of Good]

Is Coates still apart of the book. Been out of the loop.

[Marvell2100]

Is Coates still apart of the book. Been out of the loop.

It'll be over soon. Just not soon enough.

[XJlock]

Yes...yes they are. We have ppl rooting for Mbaku the Man Ape to be ruler of Wakanda and the lead character of the franchise.

The general audience has no idea why Tchalla is special other than he was born first. We know why as longtime supporters.

These individuals do not seem to be aware that putting a member from the Jabari tribe on the throne would push Wakanda's current lifestyle backward because of their opposing views on vibranium and technology. Plus, the worship of Bast would probably take a backseat to their god alongside the implementation of a gorilla equivalent to the Black Panther mantle.

[Golden Guardian of Good]

It'll be over soon. Just not soon enough.

He's leaving Black Panther?

[Ekie]

He's leaving Black Panther?

Can you please rephrase that question in the form of a song?

[Ekie]

These individuals do not seem to be aware that putting a member from the Jabari tribe on the throne would push Wakanda's current lifestyle backward because of their opposing views on vibranium and technology. Plus, the worship of Bast would probably take a backseat to their god alongside the implementation of a gorilla equivalent to the Black Panther mantle.

Their takeaway from the movie is that ANYONE can be "Black Panther" since it showed 3 different ppl being "black panther" and offered the position to 3 others after Tchalla was seemingly killed in his debut solo movie.

And then there are some whose takeaway was that the movie wasn't even about Tchalla specifically but about "The Mantle of The Black Panther". These are the ppl who never want to see Tchalla recast again (ever) under the claim that they want to honor Boseman but have been vocal about replacing Tchalla anyway with Shuri or Okoye or Killmonger or a brand spanking newly created Marvel mcu character whose name will later be determined.

The problem with that logic is that it means none of the characters are important so long as Wakanda and black culture remains. If thats the case then this is no longer a character driven story (a first for comics) and they are all replaceable by a faceless catsuit and Wakanda forever sales slogan.

Next writer is immensely important since the comics haven't been in good hands for 5 years and the MCUDisney plus version is lost. Need creators who understand the importance of Tchalla on a broader cultural and lingterm economic scale then just black hero of Wakanda. Wakanda forever usnt going to get a specific blsck character to spiderman or batman levels of longevity and signifigance. Tchall was easily well on his way.

Can anyone name another black hero that is capable or on their way to that type of reverence? Tchallas side characters certainly arent getting there

[butterflykyss]

[MindofShadow]

Can you please rephrase that question in the form of a song?

I found the answer in the version of a song