T'Challa: The Black Panther Appreciation 2021

[Marvell2100]

What's the common consensus on Don McGregor's Black Panther work?

As much credit as he deserves for fleshing out T'Challa and Wakanda, Don Mac is the worst writer for T'Challa specifically. He wrote him like he was a character in a Shakespearean tragedy. Monologues and ass-beatings, that's what I got out of Don McGregor's Black Panther.

[DigiCom]

Surely they are getting the Dora's confused right... surely they aren't burning down EVERYTHING from the first movie... right...

Wow! More random reports!

[BlackClaw]

As much credit as he deserves for fleshing out T'Challa and Wakanda, Don Mac is the worst writer for T'Challa specifically. He wrote him like he was a character in a Shakespearean tragedy. Monologues and ass-beatings, that's what I got out of Don McGregor's Black Panther.

Even worse than Coates?

[MindofShadow]

Wow! More random reports!

to an extent yes

But this dude isn't WeGotThisCovered or even Grace... he is leagues beyond with his leaks.

[DigiCom]

to an extent yes

But this dude isn't WeGotThisCovered or even Grace... he is leagues beyond with his leaks.

That may very well be. But we're still in a situation where random people make oracular statements based on "sources" and drop them into the fandom like sodium in water. The movie hasn't even finished filming... we don't even have a TRAILER, and people are already assuming they know EXACTLY what will happen. And usually getting angry about it, because some guy with "sources" says so! Yay!

Then you have the other!fans, who don't give a flying Fugazi about the movie, as long as they can somehow twist it into "The next MCU film is going to introduce my fave character!" Storm, Namor, Doom, bloody Squirrel Girl for all I know. It doesn't matter that we haven't seen them in concept art or set photos. They are in the movie, because Comics™. Just like Swordsman trained Hawkeye, and ended up betraying him.

Oh wait, that didn't happen. Maybe it was Mephisto! He's behind everything, right? I saw it in a comic, so it MUST be true!

Don't get me wrong... fan speculation is fine. When it becomes unhealthy is when people let their speculation drive their opinions.

"T'Challa is dead in BP2! I'm boycotting all further MCU projects!"

No. He isn't. He MAY be. It's even probable, unless the movie is being retooled during this hiatus. But assuming speculation as truth always seems to lead to disappointment & anger. And that just makes for a more toxic fandom.

(The only thing more annoying is when people grab the tiniest fact and extrapolate huge details. "John Boyega said the word 'vibe' in an interview for a Polish fansite! It must be a hint that he's playing Vibraxas! I wonder who they'll get for QDJ?")

[Username taken]

What I find troubling about leaks nowadays is that more often than not they tend to be accurate.

Sometimes, scripts leaks are so detailed that the complete outline of the movie floats online. It happened with the last Star Wars sequels, Avengers movies (that movie actually leaked), and No Way Home.

I'm not saying they are all correct but given just how accurate they tend to be, it's a bit difficult to completely ignore them.

[Frontier]

Surely they are getting the Dora's confused right... surely they aren't burning down EVERYTHING from the first movie... right...

So her husband turns traitor and is (presumably) imprisoned and she hooks up with another Dora.

Man, W'Kabi was a dirty traitor but that's rough.

[Marvell2100]

Even worse than Coates?

In some ways I put them on equal footing. Coates was a world builder but instead of T'Challa giving long monologues, he had other characters try to define T'Challa thru their constant critiques of him and his leadership. And while Coates didn't have T'Challa take the beatings like Don Mac, he never gave him decisive wins either. Someone else had to step in and help.

[BlackClaw]

What I find troubling about leaks nowadays is that more often than not they tend to be accurate.

Sometimes, scripts leaks are so detailed that the complete outline of the movie floats online. It happened with the last Star Wars sequels, Avengers movies (that movie actually leaked), and No Way Home.

I'm not saying they are all correct but given just how accurate they tend to be, it's a bit difficult to completely ignore them.

So the Jon Snow baby might be a reality. Well like E-Man said, marvel does change things based on rumors or leaks getting out so for all we know that shit could get scrapped on the cutting room floor and hopefully make room for a variant in a post credits scene. Bast, this movie is sounding like a mess.

[BlackClaw]

In some ways I put them on equal footing. Coates was a world builder but instead of T'Challa giving long monologues, he had other characters try to define T'Challa thru their constant critiques of him and his leadership. And while Coates didn't have T'Challa take the beatings like Don Mac, he never gave him decisive wins either. Someone else had to step in and help.

Literally the only thing I liked from Coates run was how he revamped Shuri, and making T’Challa an emperor (in spite of how trash the IGEW storyline was). Everything else was garbage.

[Dariel81]

What's the common consensus on Don McGregor's Black Panther work?

Great world building but his Tchalla Sucked

[Ezyo1000]

So T’Challa might not even be safe in the damn source material anymore. Ugh. Well at least E-Mans movement is making wave but if these implications are true about the synergy then there’s no denying that Marvel is trying to profit off of Black Death.

I would like to think marvel isn't dumb enough to not only try and profit off Black death, but then push for failed characters to try and take over the series again and to push him out when the only success comes from him. Marvel ain't that stupid. And if they are then I can see everyone raining fire from above calling them out for their hypocrisy

[Ezyo1000]

What's the common consensus on Don McGregor's Black Panther work?

Did Amazing World building and developing of T'Challas cast, villains, and love interest. Truly some great stuff. He also showed just how much T'Challa could persevere and had some great feats mixed in... However, he also showed that this was not the same T'Challa who beat the FF through cunning and prep. This T'Challa got his ass beat by everyone to the point it didn't even make sense.how does T'Challa beat the FF, one shot Karnak, and other characters, then get his head split by an old lady and get beat up and captured by a bunch of teenagers?

Panthers rage was a huge let down at the end for what all T'Challa went through. The ending would of been so much more satisfying of T'Challa beat Erik of his own volition and not been saved by a child.that pretty much undercut everything T'Challa went through in the story.

Had that fight ended with T'Challa beating Erik with a Uno reverse and causing him to tumble off to his death than panthers rage would probably be marked as one of the best stories in BPs publication. But it ended withe a frustrated Yell instead of a triumphant roar

[Klaue's Mixtape]

Im not on twitter. So Eyzo, BlackClaw, etc if you are I wish someone would call out these guys on this.


Darth Kriss
@insanityreport
It really is callous as fuck to be demanding Disney recast tchalla so soon after the sudden passing of Boseman. Of course they’ll recast in the future. But these assholes have been calling for it since the day Boseman died. Stop it

Darth Kriss
@insanityreport
Did anyone stop and think that maybe they’re not even thinking about it right now out of respect for the cast who REALLY had deep emotional ties to Boseman? Hell some of the execs did too.

Like fuck man. Relax and stop

Muhammad Butt
@muhammadbutt
Replying to
@insanityreport
it’s the kind of scumbag behaviour I’d expect from Sn*der cultists. absolutely embarrassing.
https://twitter.com/muhammadbutt/sta...49950501302278


Shas get the most, not the lesserSmirking face
@onestarr23
Replying to
@insanityreport
People keep acting like T'Challa is a role where you can just plug and play. It's not. Disney is not trying to role the dice on it. Chadwick was an integral part of creating the onscreen T'challa. It will not be easy to find someone to stand in that and build on it.


They talk about the callous fans and yet not one of them mentions how the studio literally pushed the movie back just 3 months after Boseman's passing. If it was really about caring then they would have halted production for a year to let everyone grieve instead of just carrying on.

[Ezyo1000]

That may very well be. But we're still in a situation where random people make oracular statements based on "sources" and drop them into the fandom like sodium in water. The movie hasn't even finished filming... we don't even have a TRAILER, and people are already assuming they know EXACTLY what will happen. And usually getting angry about it, because some guy with "sources" says so! Yay!

Then you have the other!fans, who don't give a flying Fugazi about the movie, as long as they can somehow twist it into "The next MCU film is going to introduce my fave character!" Storm, Namor, Doom, bloody Squirrel Girl for all I know. It doesn't matter that we haven't seen them in concept art or set photos. They are in the movie, because Comics™. Just like Swordsman trained Hawkeye, and ended up betraying him.

Oh wait, that didn't happen. Maybe it was Mephisto! He's behind everything, right? I saw it in a comic, so it MUST be true!

Don't get me wrong... fan speculation is fine. When it becomes unhealthy is when people let their speculation drive their opinions.

"T'Challa is dead in BP2! I'm boycotting all further MCU projects!"

No. He isn't. He MAY be. It's even probable, unless the movie is being retooled during this hiatus. But assuming speculation as truth always seems to lead to disappointment & anger. And that just makes for a more toxic fandom.

(The only thing more annoying is when people grab the tiniest fact and extrapolate huge details. "John Boyega said the word 'vibe' in an interview for a Polish fansite! It must be a hint that he's playing Vibraxas! I wonder who they'll get for QDJ?")

I agree with you to a degree. But the thing with T'Challa, is that Marvel said they aren't going to Recast him. That wasn't some leak from a "credible source" it WAS the source. There's only a couple ways to handle no recast for T'Challa. Really two way. Either he is killed on or off screen, or he gets the red skull treatment and is transported somewhere else and assumed dead.

There's literally no other way to explain his absence in HIS franchise (well there would of been a 3rd option if they had the second movie take place during the snap, maybe retconned that Shuri wasn't dead to explain why she was in the movie) sand given that announcement I don't blame people for boycotting Marvel.

I have, the ONLY marvel projects I have seen since the announcement was the what ifs, specifically T'Challas, and ones with him in them like zombies and Eriks. I haven't even watched the finale yet. But as for anything else marvel related? Nope. I don care about it.

I don't care about a D+ Wakanda series when they are so eager to write T'Challa out of his Damn franchise, a massively huge business decision made in MINUTES, and a big F you to everything Chad worked hard on in the name of "honoring" him (and I understand Coogler made this decision 100% from grief and emotions) but marvel should of had the foresight to the then to wait and grieve.

So While I understand what your saying about not taking every little leak as gospel and getting up in arms. Some things, like the future of T'Challa (unless they are using this hiatus to rewrite some stuff) one can pretty much say they are writing off the sequel unless there's some word of T'Challa not dying