One comment I liked about this issue was the theory that Doom choose on purpose Reedīs and Sue anniversary date " to save Reed from Sue" because he probably forgot it until Sue mentioned it to Victor, like I could actually see him do this as part of his peace agreetment with Reed.
I donīt know why but I get the sense Victor and Reed sometimes wished they were friends because there are not other people that can see and understand the world and the universe in the way they do but at the same time they canīt stand each other so itīs truly frustrating for them they are not able to stay in good terms even for one issue.
"To the X-men then, who donīt die the old fashioned way and no matter how hard we try, none of us die forever" Uncanny X-Men #270, Jean and Ororo
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Still haven't seen this yet, waiting to be picked up.
but the idea that Alicia could be controlling Doom, even, is clever.
Everybody seems to be out of character, could she be doing stuff to Sky, Johnny too?
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2011 I think, the Flash story was a New 52 origin retcon if I'm not mistaken. Which has already been adapted twice in the Justice League movie and CW Flash TV series, meaning that if they use Franklin Storm's backstory in the MCU, people will erroneously think Marvel ripped off DC, instead of the other way around.
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I thought Sue and Johnny's mom died in a car accident and the dad (a renowned surgeon) couldn't save her so he spiraled into alcoholism and debt.
Also, wasn't he sent to prison for falsely or accidentally killing a loan shark?
The story is very different to Barry Allen's.
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How is that similar?
CW Flash has Barry's father framed by Reverse Flash for his the death of his mother. It's practically the same as the comics it's based on.
Johnny and Sue's mom died in an accident and their father spiraled into depression and gambling, leading to him accidentally killing a loan shark.
The literal only similarities are dead mom and dad in prison. That's it.
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I think Doom didn't care that Johnny slept with Zora as he doesn't have romantic feelings for her. He's not looking to produce an heir or for anyone to rule by his side. He probably was just looking for a way to cement his control over Symkaria.
Like a rew others have mentioned, it's really getting tiresome with the de-maturization of Johnny. He can't be taken seriously at this point and is pretty much a cliche'. Even Zora pretty much calls him a dumb blonde.
I miss the development Johnny got under Hickman. I just don't know why writers feel the need to continuously pidgeon-hole Johnny as a frak-up.
I couldn't agree more. It's a regression in maturity that IMO does not take into account the horrific events of when he "died" several times when he was held captive in the Negative Zone. Teaming up with the Light Brigade he was able to take away Annihilus's Control Road and escape ....without any help from the FF. But even going back to the Roy Thomas era IMO Johnny grew up when he lost Crystal to Pietro. I still think Crys and Johnny belong together. They both have gone through a lot and have grown up. They were probably teen agers when they first met.
As for Zora, I think you are on the right track. I don't think it was going to be a marriage in the sense of it having a sexual element. I think we can mostly take Doom at his word that is a public transfer of the title of Queen so that there would be no one questioning her role while Doom goes away. But I think she still has a price to pay for the public humiliation.
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Super Skrull framed elder Storm. I meant the various elements, jail time, growing up without parents.
Sure, not an exact.
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Of all the Marvel original characters, Johnny probably has been the most stagnant with the exception of Hickman's run. Writers tend to think that immaturity is his default character setting.
Next issue says that there will be a major change for one of the FF. I'm going to guess that since Johnny and Zora have slept together, somehow thru some ancient, obscure law, that Johnny becomes part ruler of Symkaria(maybe even Latveria?).
It wouldn't surprise me to see Slott doing that too. Didn't Johnny have some affair a while back where the woman was pregnant but she disappeared or something?