YIBAMBE! T’Challa: The Black Panther Appreciation 2022

[tliscord]

People and dumb fans cared more about "but monarchy is archaic and bad!" more than they cared about reading good stories.

There is a reason super hero comics lean towards kings and people with absolute power.

Otherwise... you are captain america. And you gotta make the country look bad to prop up the main title character.

BUT, plot twist... the same team wakanda people don't want Wakanda to look bad, so you BP looks worse instead.

Marvel has got to eventually decide if they plan on making Black Panther comics or Wakanda comics. You can't do both, it doesn't work.

Both Wakanda and BP look like **** right now and has for 6 years.

Really? “People and dumb fans”. I know this thread remains an echo chamber but maybe you’re a little too over invested?

[skyvolt2000]

They already had proof of this from the Coates' failed spin-offs. T'Challa has to be front and center and king of Wakanda for it to have any relevance.

Yes and no.

While those Coates spinoffs failed as single issue comic books. They did NOT fail as trades and in the case of BP WOW-that was before the movie came or even the first trailer.

Then you have the Shuri novels that have done very well.

Okoye's is a top 50 seller on Amazon and guess who she is beating-everyone at Marvel not named Miles Morales and everyone not named Harley at DC.

What is worst Ridley's first trade is not even in the top 1000. Coates as bad as he was-his did NOT rank that low in preorders.


We all know Black Panther hit 200 issues with HIM not Wakanda on the cover.

The issue we are facing is outside the comic book store-is saying a different story.

Divorce Wakanda from Panther and send him on his way.


Which book would last longer

World of Wakanda with Shuri, Dora, Okoye and Storm.

Black Panther in exile at the Avenger's HQ with his new sidekick Prodigy after he finally wised up and left Karona.
Or
Black Panther and the return of Fantastic Force?

[skyvolt2000]

Really? “People and dumb fans”. I know this thread remains an echo chamber but maybe you’re a little too over invested?

We have seen 6 years of folks line up and go OFF on the King.

We seen this kingdom be as messed and at war with each other way too much.


And Black Panther fans are no more invested than OTHERS to a point.

[Ezyo1000]

Anybody here do their own taxes? I've been doing mine over the past few days and finally got them mailed yesterday. What a beast!

Anyway, reading the latest BP and right now the story is okay but it's that, just okay. If this were Captain America then the story would work better. But T'Challa isn't Steve and the habit isn't a super-hero costume to be taken away.

This whole democratic Wakanda plot/phase is not lending itself to good stories right now. Too many cooks in the kitchen, too many people giving their opinions, too many people with their own agendas. Too much Wakanda in turmoil, threats inside Wakanda, Wakanda turning on itself.

When was the last time we had a story where Wakandans were united against and outside threat? Oh yeah, BP:KiB by Redjack. It's getting very tiresome watching BP go up against his own people/country because he can't really cut loose like we want him to unlike against foreign threats where we get the badass BP.

Like I said, Ridleys' story is okay but it's not really a fit for what we need for a BP solo.

They only hope for this arc / series is for Ridley to end this with the answer for WHY Wakanda has been a monarch for 10k+ years like Coates asked and failed to answer. And that is the black panther is chosen by their goddess because they are the best and most worthy person of their generation to lead Wakanda. Period end of story. They are successful because their leader sees what the people need and what they want and makes it happen while protecting them. Ultimately yes one person have a lot of power but it comes with alot of personal sacrifice and putting the nations needs over their own.

[tliscord]

We have seen 6 years of folks line up and go OFF on the King.

We seen this kingdom be as messed and at war with each other way too much.


And Black Panther fans are no more invested than OTHERS to a point.

But “… dumb fans”? Isn’t that a bit pejorative? And yes imo this thread could be described as an echo chamber. Sorry

[Ezyo1000]

Watched a Namor/BP2 video coverage.

Saw this comment



Which one of yall wrote this, lol

Or maybe more people are getting sick of them purposefully removing all of T'Challas intelligence and dumbing him down and just making him Black Captain America. They already took a direct, question about it feat from T'Challa and Gabe it to Shuri in the first movie (figuring out how to make VB Inert) when it was 1000% not needed and could of been left to T'Challa to uplift both of their Super genius... But thats not how it works it's gotta be one or the other and right now, Black girl magic NEEDS to take precedence over good showings of strong Black males on their eyes.

[Ezyo1000]

But “… dumb fans”? Isn’t that a bit pejorative? And yes imo this thread could be described as an echo chamber. Sorry

Then you really don't pay much attention to this thread if you think it's an echo chamber. /Shrug

[tliscord]

Then you really don't pay much attention to this thread if you think it's an echo chamber. /Shrug

Oh good god, stop being so defensive. Referencing “dumb people….” may just be a little over the top. Echo, echo, echo…

[Pulp Fiction]

Do we know when this story drops?

I think he said later this year but I'm not sure

[Ezyo1000]

Oh good god, stop being so defensive. Referencing “dumb people….” may just be a little over the top. Echo, echo, echo…

Where did I say dumb people? I am making an observation about the second part of your post. Your the one coming off defensive however.

[Pulp Fiction]

T'challa is a king and Coates made a "king is bad" story and all that comes with it. A majority of the thread being against that isn't shocking.

[tliscord]

Where did I say dumb people? I am making an observation about the second part of your post. Your the one coming off defensive however.

You didn’t …. Read the previous posts.

[dkrook]

Really? “People and dumb fans”. I know this thread remains an echo chamber but maybe you’re a little too over invested?

Nope, he's spot on with this assessment. There's a horrible cycle that's been going on, with Black Panther that there doesn't seem to be any awareness of why or how to get out. We have to get some kind of variation on the story beats.

[LukeCagefan]

Or maybe more people are getting sick of them purposefully removing all of T'Challas intelligence and dumbing him down and just making him Black Captain America. They already took a direct, question about it feat from T'Challa and Gabe it to Shuri in the first movie (figuring out how to make VB Inert) when it was 1000% not needed and could of been left to T'Challa to uplift both of their Super genius... But thats not how it works it's gotta be one or the other and right now, Black girl magic NEEDS to take precedence over good showings of strong Black males on their eyes.

A strong Amen to this.

[Marvell2100]

But “… dumb fans”? Isn’t that a bit pejorative? And yes imo this thread could be described as an echo chamber. Sorry

Don't you have a different opinion?

Plenty of people in this thread have differing opinions. And we agree on a lot of things too. Why is it an echo chamber if the same people agree on certain things?